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Xolodno

(7,290 posts)
21. Desperation.
Tue May 10, 2022, 05:24 PM
May 2022

Remember they wanted a NATO no fly zone, force the ports open, etc. But NATO has stated that is a bridge too far to cross. Recently read that Biden chastised our intelligence leaks for helping them pinpoint Generals, where their forces were moving to, etc. As it plays into Putin's statement about NATO being an aggressor.

Also read a story today that its going to take a year for the USA to restock our Javelin anti tank weapons. And we already lost some military equipment in Afghanistan during the pull out and Iraq insurgency. So they know the spigot is going to get a bit smaller eventually. And Ukraine can't afford to take many losses so it needs to be replenished. And with Biden quickly getting aide to them with an emergency bill, tells me they we're getting close to running on empty.

Pulling military equipment from other NATO nations however, has been like pulling teeth. Can't blame them, they have smaller stockpiles and need to keep operational just in case Putin really is crazy.

And this war will end. But when it does, the country is going to be devastated. Infrastructure needs to be rebuilt, they need to entice those that fled to come back and help rebuild (not all of them will), etc. They are going to be in an economic coma for awhile.

So they do this, in the hopes of being more convincing. More military equipment = we can retake Novopskov.

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They probably wouldn't have done it unless they know Europe has enough alternatives ColinC May 2022 #1
Is this some sort of pressure tactic on the part of Ukraine? bluewater May 2022 #2
Alternatively, something may have forced their hand GregariousGroundhog May 2022 #3
Since the gas comes from Russia to start with, what is the new issue? bluewater May 2022 #4
We don't know GregariousGroundhog May 2022 #5
We know the Russians are saying flow should continue as before. Ukraine says it will shut it down. bluewater May 2022 #6
They would have to announce it. taxi May 2022 #15
If it's anything like the problems ignorant Russian soldiers caused at the nuclear radiation site, Lonestarblue May 2022 #12
Could be. bluewater May 2022 #14
not sure this is the big deal qazplm135 May 2022 #7
You are conflating EU oil supply needs and natural gas supply needs. bluewater May 2022 #8
still tied together qazplm135 May 2022 #9
"don't think it's a big deal or likely to be a big deal" An 8% jump in gas futures today disagrees. bluewater May 2022 #10
....... paleotn May 2022 #20
a whole 8 percent qazplm135 May 2022 #22
Sure, the price jumped more WHEN RUSSIAN TANKS ROLLED UP TO Kyiv lol bluewater May 2022 #28
I mean qazplm135 May 2022 #32
For some, freak out seems their favorite hobby. paleotn May 2022 #17
Well, it IS getting warmer now. oldsoftie May 2022 #11
In more ways than one, it seems... bluewater May 2022 #13
Yeah, pity that Ukraine can't ensure the safety of that line while their country is actively... Lancero May 2022 #23
"If the line is that critical to the EU, they can deploy military forces to take over securing it." bluewater May 2022 #29
Russia attacking Ukraine certainly looks like "force majeure" to me. ornotna May 2022 #16
Stop it. paleotn May 2022 #18
Gas it the only thing some nations and people care about. Lancero May 2022 #25
Unfortunately, that is true. paleotn May 2022 #27
...... paleotn May 2022 #19
Desperation. Xolodno May 2022 #21
Ukraine can't ensure the safety of the line while being actively invaded. Lancero May 2022 #24
The Sokhranivka junction is occupied by the Russian forces Beastly Boy May 2022 #26
"It is due to the loss of operational control of the infrastructure to the occupying forces." bluewater May 2022 #30
The fact of being occupied should not be confused with the fact of losing control. Beastly Boy May 2022 #31
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