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xocetaceans

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51. Yes, praising Robert E. Lee as a "Great American" is offensive.
Wed Aug 31, 2022, 03:35 PM
Aug 2022

An eventually (possibly) repentant traitor whose (possible) repentance is likely driven purely by the fact that he lost the conflict is a simply a traitor.

The matter of Congressional priorities is brought up, though, and that seems interesting. This is an excerpt from that same House floor debate (if interested, please see page 23947 bottom of the middle column of the below-linked Congressional Record):


...

Ms. ABZUG. Mr. Speaker, we are
spending congressional time deciding
whether to restore the right to hold office
to a man who has been dead for over
a century-Robert E. Lee--who led
armies against the United States. Now it
is proposed we restore to him full citizenship
rights. We do that today as we vote
for this bill.

What about the more than half a million
young Americans who have been deprived
of their full citizenship rights for
refusing to participate in the disastrous
war in Indochina? Most of these living
men were given bad discharges which
cripple them in their search for employment.
Thousands more suffer from criminal
records for their war resistance
activities, 20,000 or more young Americans
have been driven into exile for having
tried to show their country its error.

Should we not give amnesty and restore
full citizenship rights to these living
war resisters and restore them to useful
service in their communities before
we consider General Lee's right to hold
office? Better at least simultaneously
with this gesture to the memory of
Robert E. Lee.

These young men did not lead armies
against their country. Their only "crime"
was anticipating their countrymen's
realization of the injustice of the Vietnam
war. It is now proposed that we
honor General Lee for following his conscience.
Should we not do the same for
the thousands of living Americans who
followed their conscience, and whose actions
have been vindicated by events?

Two months ago, this House dealt
with the question of whether we should
spend $400 million to assist those persons
driven from their homeland by the war
in Southeast Asia. I tried to persuade
my colleagues at that time that we
should at least offer the same relief in
the form of amnesty to our own political
refugees that we were prepared to offer
to those Indochinese who had fled their
countries because of their fear of persecution
for their political beliefs.

Although my efforts were not successful
at that time, let us hope that it does
not take a century for Congress to exhibit
the same spirit of reconciliation
toward our legally disabled war resisters
that is now being advocated on behalf
of a long dead rebel general. Rather
than simply dwelling on the academic
exercise of deciding whether General Lee
is entitled to hold office today, let us
rather deal with the urgent issue of restoring
full citizenship rights and privileges
to hundreds of thousands of living
Americans.

Mr. BOWEN. Mr. Speaker, I rise in
support of a matter which has needed....

...

As upthread, this is from July 22, 1975 but on page 23947
Congressional Record, which is found here:

Vol. 121, Part 19 - House pages 23935 - 24027 (PDF 36MB)


I have not had time to research deeply what happened with respect to the people who refused to serve in Vietnam, so I do not know the further history of that issue.

I am just bringing this up in case it is also of interest.

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Better get ready for the 'patriotic' militia attacks, West Point. 70sEraVet Aug 2022 #1
Well they were patriotic.................right up until the Civil War cstanleytech Aug 2022 #13
I definitely agree with this. At one point these names served the purpose of reconciliation, but the artemisia1 Aug 2022 #2
Did they actually serve that purpose? cab67 Aug 2022 #26
It certainly was thought they would. As to whether they did that is another story. /nt artemisia1 Aug 2022 #36
not so naive stopdiggin Aug 2022 #3
SO true! MyOwnPeace Aug 2022 #8
Wholeheartedly agreed. calimary Aug 2022 #14
Well written and spot on. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2022 #21
Great idea!!! wolfie001 Aug 2022 #4
Agree wholeheartedly absolutely correct bigtime Aug 2022 #5
They removed Arnold for being a traitor. Why not Lee too for turning against the government? AZLD4Candidate Aug 2022 #6
Lee and Davis should have been hung! The Jungle 1 Aug 2022 #7
Lincoln did NOT want to do that..... MyOwnPeace Aug 2022 #9
Lincoln was hoping they'd go into exile. thucythucy Aug 2022 #11
Yes that is the ironic part. The Jungle 1 Aug 2022 #25
Ford's pardon of Nixon enabled a generation of GOP presidents thinking they were above the law. NYC Liberal Aug 2022 #18
The DOJ is on record stating... The Jungle 1 Aug 2022 #24
Nixon was pardoned after he left office. NYC Liberal Aug 2022 #30
Yes and it was after the pardon that the DOJ made their decision. The Jungle 1 Aug 2022 #32
I'm not sure what that has to do with prosecuting a former president. NYC Liberal Aug 2022 #37
Nothing The Jungle 1 Aug 2022 #39
+1 -K&R!! onetexan Aug 2022 #22
A history I read said not a single enlisted person turned their backs on their country. Just LT Barclay Aug 2022 #10
That historian is in error, then. malthaussen Aug 2022 #50
Thanks. Sad to know that. LT Barclay Sep 2022 #54
What about Congress's restoration of his citizenship in 1974?? Rhiannon12866 Aug 2022 #12
Wow. I don't remember that. WTF SunSeeker Aug 2022 #16
I believe it was Robert Byrd who advocated for this, back in the day. Rhiannon12866 Aug 2022 #17
Sen. Harry Flood Byrd, Jr. xocetaceans Aug 2022 #19
Thanks for finding that! I'm trying to remember where I first heard about this Rhiannon12866 Aug 2022 #20
You're welcome. I had just never heard of such an absurdity as Congress having wasted the time... xocetaceans Aug 2022 #28
I looked further into this, and you might be interested in what was said in the House.... xocetaceans Aug 2022 #35
Thanks! Good Grief! Rhiannon12866 Aug 2022 #41
That's quite similar to what I thought. xocetaceans Aug 2022 #42
"407-10" is absolutely disgusting. malthaussen Aug 2022 #31
Right? Gobsmacked that this happened. nt SunSeeker Aug 2022 #33
Yes, that surprised me too. It makes one wonder, so here is a portion of the House debate... xocetaceans Aug 2022 #34
In law, then, Congress may be excused. malthaussen Aug 2022 #49
Yes, praising Robert E. Lee as a "Great American" is offensive. xocetaceans Aug 2022 #51
Right on, Bela. malthaussen Aug 2022 #52
Thank you for relating that bit of history to me. xocetaceans Aug 2022 #53
Ford also pardoned Nixon. SouthBayDem Aug 2022 #38
In Robert E Lee's case, restoration of his citizenship was first passed by Congress Rhiannon12866 Aug 2022 #40
Oh, I disagree. malthaussen Aug 2022 #48
This should have been done long ago. Glad they got around to it finally. nt SunSeeker Aug 2022 #15
The traitors who tried to destroy the USA and caused massive death and destruction Mysterian Aug 2022 #23
About damn time! Emile Aug 2022 #27
Seems reasonable. No amount of prior service should erase treason. malthaussen Aug 2022 #29
Benedict Arnold played a significant role in colonial forces winning the Battle of Saratoga.... paleotn Aug 2022 #43
Well, Lee and the rest of the Confederates were pardoned... malthaussen Aug 2022 #46
Ironically, Arnold may have been the best general on either side of that war... malthaussen Aug 2022 #47
Yale did this with one of its colleges named after John C. Calhoun CTyankee Aug 2022 #44
People who committed treason should NEVER be ... dchill Aug 2022 #45
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