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Scootaloo

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20. Reactionary, aren't you?

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 06:41 PM

Jan 2012

Pay attention now, chief.

The point is, it is logistically impossible to control the flow of information WITHOUT prohibiting communication itself. This is my point. Do you understand it? It's not very complicated. when you say, release a song, then you open yourself up to everything from pirates to cover bands to samplers to everything else that the RIAA is frothing at the mouth over. it's always been that way. And it will probably ALWAYS BE that way.

Why? Again, because when you provide people with information, it becomes impossible to dictate to them what they then DO with that information. You can try to have them punished if they do something you dislike with it - and that's the idea behind copyright law - but you still aren't actually exercising control over the flow of the information.

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Feds Shut Down File-Sharing Website Megaupload [View all] Purveyor Jan 2012 OP

more good work on behalf of the 1%.... mike_c Jan 2012 #1

Torn on this... since it is not just the executives who lose money nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #3

Well, the trouble is, the nature of the medium makes property rights meaningless Scootaloo Jan 2012 #6

Then you will see more and more crap nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #7

So no quality work existed prior to copyright law? Scootaloo Jan 2012 #10

Yes, I guess you want to go back to all work controlled nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #15

Reactionary, aren't you? Scootaloo Jan 2012 #20

Pay attention chief, RIAA is OLD MEDIA nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #22

I think... fascisthunter Jan 2012 #76

Given that the industry created the problem nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #83

wow.... great Catch Nadin! fascisthunter Jan 2012 #93

Pay attention now, Scootaloo. You're talking to a long-term, respected DUer who is a tpsbmam Jan 2012 #42

And they're also making an argument that I would have made. harmonicon Jan 2012 #70

Didn't realize DU had "newby" police. pocoloco Jan 2012 #80

Who cares if he's a newbie? Codeine Jan 2012 #84

ditto dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #99

Oh wait, you're serious, aren't you? Scootaloo Jan 2012 #103

Exactly. Even the "old media", like RIAA, despite of what they claim and believe, Fool Count Jan 2012 #51

I'm so old, I remember when the RIAA was about technical standards... GReedDiamond Jan 2012 #66

Are you talking about video games? Occulus Jan 2012 #57

No, paper and pencil nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #58

What was the game/company? Occulus Jan 2012 #62

FASA... nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #63

reminds me of a comic strip a while back Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2012 #73

Sadly I know which strip you mean nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #81

Nadine, I just did some digging, and FASA didn't go bankrupt Occulus Jan 2012 #85

Now that is creative writing nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #88

indeed, it was a very sad time for me since a lot of my favorite companies and as such settings went Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2012 #86

FASA had its share of problems kurt_cagle Jan 2012 #101

Trust me, I can speak from first person nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #102

Well, it doesn't help that fans pirated and steal-read everything, did it? THAT BEING SAID Leopolds Ghost Jan 2012 #64

Skyrim is an Amazing game! fascisthunter Jan 2012 #77

t's still an issue-- if not even greater. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #74

I used to play the pen and paper games Confusious Jan 2012 #95

There's Always Been "Piracy" Yavin4 Jan 2012 #8

Embracing the new reality is definitely the way to go Scootaloo Jan 2012 #12

Oh I think we are moving into that new reality nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #16

Corporations should have different copyright frameworks than persons. bigmonkey Jan 2012 #26

Yes, shortening copyright and NOT renewing it nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #27

I think you can break the Disney lock on copyright extensions by allowing them to pay for Mickey. bigmonkey Jan 2012 #31

And then they extended it beyond that nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #37

+1 Fearless Jan 2012 #17

All music should be free! Free the sound, man!!! nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #32

My musician friends, MadrasT Jan 2012 #36

You shouldn't be able to profit from art man! Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #46

No, it's not at all like that. progressoid Jan 2012 #60

Yep, my brother in law was in The Fantistics [off Broadway] for 10 years. Their truism is that you 24601 Jan 2012 #34

Nobody says that protecting IP is crazy in general. But some forms this protection takes Fool Count Jan 2012 #47

Good luck getting this changed right now nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #52

Home taping is killing music. nt. harmonicon Jan 2012 #69

Reel-to-reel or cassettes? kentauros Jan 2012 #90

8 track cassette. nt. harmonicon Jan 2012 #98

Can you afford to rent a property like this ? dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #97

Wonder if this is going to be like Oink Fake Empire Jan 2012 #2

Money talks. eom tawadi Jan 2012 #4

So what's this amount to? durablend Jan 2012 #5

LOL, that is the issue Celebration Jan 2012 #50

No coincidence there. Nope. salvorhardin Jan 2012 #9

Does this mean that no online storage method is safe? Hugabear Jan 2012 #11

Well, that's the thing Scootaloo Jan 2012 #13

I've never trusted the supposed 'security' of these online storage/backup sites. eom Purveyor Jan 2012 #14

If SOPA passes... Fearless Jan 2012 #19

Photos can be copyrighted Hugabear Jan 2012 #23

RIAA and MIAA Fearless Jan 2012 #24

Amazon Cloud, Microsoft's 'Skydrive', iCloud? bathroommonkey76 Jan 2012 #44

THIS JUST IN! Anonymous Attacks DOJ Site After Feds Shut Down Piracy Hub Megaupload Purveyor Jan 2012 #18

I know I am not supposed to find this amusing. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #21

there are and will be more to take its place :.> stockholmer Jan 2012 #25

This just underscores why we don't need any new laws Taverner Jan 2012 #28

That pesky due process Ron Obvious Jan 2012 #30

It's easy to understand why they want to skirt due process. randome Jan 2012 #33

Sure it's easy to understand Ron Obvious Jan 2012 #38

I know it sucks what they're trying to do. randome Jan 2012 #45

They need to understand due process isn't the enemy Taverner Jan 2012 #49

There are millions of people in prison in the US. Imagine if they didn't have to contend Fool Count Jan 2012 #53

Agree 100% Taverner Jan 2012 #48

It's a never-ending battle... bathroommonkey76 Jan 2012 #29

How did they manage to do this Pab Sungenis Jan 2012 #35

Here's my problem with this: They_Live Jan 2012 #39

Same here. This is bullshit. joshcryer Jan 2012 #40

Could anyone be liable for the permanent loss of artists' work if no backup is avail??? Leopolds Ghost Jan 2012 #65

For perspective. This is something close to 5% of the entire internet. Gone. Zip. Zilch. joshcryer Jan 2012 #41

And if you need a little irony in your diet They_Live Jan 2012 #43

When we say deleted, what do we mean? Surely artists that had accounts can retrieve their files? Leopolds Ghost Jan 2012 #67

Their servers are disconnected They_Live Jan 2012 #89

I had a photograph I had taken of a Japanese pop singer AsahinaKimi Jan 2012 #91

Wow. It has obtained the coveted endorsement of that Kardashian idiot. pinniped Jan 2012 #54

Assuming megaupload had a report option for reporting pirated material what cstanleytech Jan 2012 #55

From what it looks like the MU people were very, very shady Yukari Yakumo Jan 2012 #56

Ah, well that doesnt look good for them at all then. cstanleytech Jan 2012 #59

Could say that about alot of company's if you're going to judge them by their employee's .99center Jan 2012 #78

Yep... I'm actually surprised it took them this long to get around to "smashing" megaupload Blasphemer Jan 2012 #94

One thing I have to admit. I used to bash them for going after small... joshcryer Jan 2012 #61

Just like the big Maxell case from the 80's. harmonicon Jan 2012 #68

One more reason why I hate celebrities and the organizations behind their sucess. n/t vaberella Jan 2012 #71

There's a big push from the RIAA, et al... greiner3 Jan 2012 #72

If they can already do this, why the big push for SOPA/PIPA? nt NorthCarolina Jan 2012 #75

good point! (nt) fascisthunter Jan 2012 #79

Because with SOPA they can go after the "sister sites" who merely link to places like Megaupload. NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #82

Exactly. The point of SOPA is to shut down pages like THIS thread. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #87

kinda like using a AsahinaKimi Jan 2012 #92

I find it interesting that US Justice Department made the arrests lovuian Jan 2012 #100