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flashman13

(2,624 posts)
23. I am a civil enginer with experience in concrete design.
Sat Oct 8, 2022, 08:27 PM
Oct 2022

While the video quality isn't the best, I have been studying a fairly decent one of the railroad bridge in profile. There is a place where there was a very hot fire directly over one of the piers right at the joint of two bridge sections. I think, emphasizing less than great images, there appears to be structural damage at that point with some displacement downward. That bridge is concrete (cheaper than steel - go figure) made up of multiple longitudinal sections. Even if only the outer member is damaged, the bridge is compromised. At best they made a quickie inspection. I would not sign off on its usability without some serious testing.

In another video, a second set of pictures looking up at another pier, clearly shows, over a substantial area, that the outer layers of concrete has peeled off exposing the entire rebar grid. That's not a good sign. High heats can severely compromise concrete. Some of the earlier pictures show entire areas of the bridge ringed with flames. I would definitely advise that trains proceed very slowly over that entire damaged area.

Also, in another video, looking down the center line of the remaining road span, you can see that the outer edge of the structure has a large inward buckle. Depending whether other adjacent members are also buckled, that could be a sign of sever damage. More importantly, it appears that the bridge deck from which the picture was take has displaced vertically downward along its full width. I could be wrong here. Again the quality isn't great. But if there is that sort of significant displacement there is very serious damage which will significantly limit the usability of that span.

All in all, the bridges received significant damage. Someone got an extremely large bang for their buck. I don't believe a word of the truck bomb explosion theory. My guess is that it was a broadside hit from an anti-ship missile fired from a small boat. We already know the Ukrainians are very resourceful.

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How could Rebl2 Oct 2022 #1
I rather doubt that safe is a criteria Metaphorical Oct 2022 #2
Exactly. speak easy Oct 2022 #3
True Rebl2 Oct 2022 #21
There are two tracks parallel; only one burned Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #22
I read reports stating the same but blue-wave Oct 2022 #4
If this had happened in the EU / U.S. speak easy Oct 2022 #5
That does not change the fact that blue-wave Oct 2022 #7
'you cannot run train cars. ... over weakened rails' speak easy Oct 2022 #8
You can do it. Once. COL Mustard Oct 2022 #43
Catch 22 speak easy Oct 2022 #44
This turned out to be sabotage but still..... COL Mustard Oct 2022 #45
Milo !! speak easy Oct 2022 #46
There are two tracks parallel; only one burned. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #28
Depends on how close the second set is to the first Lithos Oct 2022 #33
Yes. DenaliDemocrat Oct 2022 #58
Bargain basement cheap-yep Rebl2 Oct 2022 #31
Video. You can see the burn damage at the side Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #24
Well then, I will wait blue-wave Oct 2022 #26
my first thought too SouthernDem4ever Oct 2022 #41
Maybe they are testing with this first BumRushDaShow Oct 2022 #6
I'm surprised at you speak easy Oct 2022 #11
Standard procedure BumRushDaShow Oct 2022 #13
Pardon me for questioning your expertise, speak easy Oct 2022 #14
That was a loaner from the UK BumRushDaShow Oct 2022 #16
(sigh) When will the Brit's ever learn? speak easy Oct 2022 #18
chuckle riversedge Oct 2022 #19
Hey Thomas always just wanted to "be a useful engine"....Sir Toppem Hat was the problem. And Diesel Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #25
I hope Patron sneezes with a big load on the bridge SheltieLover Oct 2022 #38
Excellent! COL Mustard Oct 2022 #40
DON'T DO IT, THOMAS!!! orangecrush Oct 2022 #55
That's one way of playing Russian Roulette. William769 Oct 2022 #9
The Russian way to check for structural damage Tomconroy Oct 2022 #10
So hit'em again! Grins Oct 2022 #12
I'll believe it when I see independent video of it. Grokenstein Oct 2022 #15
To quote an old football cheer, "Hit 'em again, harder, harder". sinkingfeeling Oct 2022 #17
And every time Russia bets against Ukraine hitting harder ... speak easy Oct 2022 #20
I am a civil enginer with experience in concrete design. flashman13 Oct 2022 #23
I've seen video show cars driving through, but says there is a limit of 10 per half hour Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #27
ty for your post! speak easy Oct 2022 #37
Ty for sharing! SheltieLover Oct 2022 #39
A small bridge on I75 in Florida had to be rebuilt because of high heat(fire) ornotna Oct 2022 #47
This ain't gonna end well. n/t TygrBright Oct 2022 #29
I wouldn't want to be in any train across that particular section Warpy Oct 2022 #30
'The concrete might look fine, but it's not.' speak easy Oct 2022 #36
I'm not a CE, so thanks for directing me to that post Warpy Oct 2022 #48
Putin should be in the driver's compartment of the first train to NCjack Oct 2022 #42
With a gun pointed at their head! WVreaper Oct 2022 #32
A good enginner would Smackdown2019 Oct 2022 #57
He said two trains left Crimea headed toward the bridge Danascot Oct 2022 #34
Then I would think about tomorrow "look out below"!! G2theD Oct 2022 #35
Hit it again, Ukraine. roamer65 Oct 2022 #49
Are the trains full weight? Turbineguy Oct 2022 #50
Thomas had never seen such BS before! Olestro Oct 2022 #51
It has to end with a graphics file extension like .jpg .gif .bmp, etc. Gore1FL Oct 2022 #52
You have to use Duck Duck Go orangecrush Oct 2022 #54
Sounds like bullshit orangecrush Oct 2022 #53
No worries. The bridge has been pencil-whipped into perfect shape. Girard442 Oct 2022 #56
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