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35. Apples and oranges...

Mon Oct 24, 2022, 10:43 PM

Oct 2022

When Chamberlain negotiated with Hitler, Hitler was the one in the position of strength, and the war had not begun yet. Now we are talking about negotiations to END a war that is already raging-- NOT negotiations to try to avoid a war.

In this Ukraine war scenario now, it is 1945, and 'Hitler' is on the run-- but this time he does possess the ability to bring the whole world to die with him, in a fiery death in his bunker... by "pressing all the buttons"...

It is for Ukraine to decide what terms they would accept in ending this war, of course-- but I think the talking should seriously begin now. Russia is in a position of weakness, yes. If through negotiations, the war can be ended, then negotiations should certainly be pursued-- and now more seriously than they have been, since Russia is on the run and failing.

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U.S. liberal Democrats urge Biden to seek negotiated Ukraine settlement [View all] The Protagonist Oct 2022 OP

This is very disappointing. MLAA Oct 2022 #1

Extremely disappointing Rebl2 Oct 2022 #10

Just say no.. nt mitch96 Oct 2022 #14

Apples and oranges... DemocraticPatriot Oct 2022 #35

I agree. This war will not end with the prostration of Russia to Ukraine Jack the Greater Oct 2022 #38

amen... DemocraticPatriot Oct 2022 #50

Should Russian negotiate us giving them some of our country? onecaliberal Oct 2022 #2

This sucks. When today's rightwing and the left faction of our party sound the same, texasfiddler Oct 2022 #3

The horseshoe is real. swag Oct 2022 #7

Peace in our time lapfog_1 Oct 2022 #4

Love the cool, old mics! C Moon Oct 2022 #60

Negotiating this thing will lead to negotiating deals for the whole The_Casual_Observer Oct 2022 #5

Wow this is some SERIOUSLY nice timing on the part of the progressives. Isn't one of kelly1mm Oct 2022 #6

So if we liberal and progressives are analogues, who are the rest of the Democrats? Magoo48 Oct 2022 #73

I don't believe what I read. Color me skeptical, or at least questioning. erronis Oct 2022 #8

It's real. The letter is on the internet. nt Phoenix61 Oct 2022 #25

LOL! C Moon Oct 2022 #61

Here it is Phoenix61 Oct 2022 #69

Here's the link to the Letter & Sigs.. Cha Oct 2022 #89

March on Moscow CloudWatcher Oct 2022 #9

Or not..... brooklynite Oct 2022 #11

WTF? GB_RN Oct 2022 #12

OR maybe the Reuters OP is propagandized ... live love laugh Oct 2022 #44

Propagandized by...reporting what the House members said? brooklynite Oct 2022 #85

"Time to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!" Grokenstein Oct 2022 #13

No negotiations with genocidal fascists Fiendish Thingy Oct 2022 #15

This is such an un-liberal Democratic thing to suggest? NullTuples Oct 2022 #16

Negotiating with Putin is useless. No one should believe a word he says. Lonestarblue Oct 2022 #17

Can someone elaborate on why TODAY was a good time to make this announcement? brooklynite Oct 2022 #18

If this is true those so called Liberals need to understand that negotiating with hitler is never a yaesu Oct 2022 #19

Full list of Democrats endorsing this new strategy... brooklynite Oct 2022 #20

I'm not surprised to see Cori Bush there .... LenaBaby61 Oct 2022 #23

You're calling a woman of color, a US Congresswoman no less, a dummy? The Protagonist Oct 2022 #28

Elaborate bronxiteforever Oct 2022 #75

Sure am .... LenaBaby61 Oct 2022 #86

Hey! As a Bona Fide ....... BigOleDummy Oct 2022 #64

I have been a fan of a large number of these folks ColinC Oct 2022 #30

What is wrong with calling for negotiations? DemocraticPatriot Oct 2022 #36

What points are you negotiating? brooklynite Oct 2022 #39

It is for Ukraine to negotiate, yes? DemocraticPatriot Oct 2022 #49

They Are in the Process of Battlefield Negotiations as We Speak. -NT- ruet Oct 2022 #78

They are giving us a way out of this mess! McKim Oct 2022 #79

What would the end state of such negotiations look like? XorXor Oct 2022 #82

WTAF? speak easy Oct 2022 #21

"Peace is better than war, because life is better than death" DemocraticPatriot Oct 2022 #37

Peace can be achieved by Kablooie Oct 2022 #88

Disagree Bristlecone Oct 2022 #22

I think you all are making too much of this Nictuku Oct 2022 #24

I don't see why they sent the letter. Incredibly poor timing. Phoenix61 Oct 2022 #26

And the timing? speak easy Oct 2022 #27

I agree with you! DemocraticPatriot Oct 2022 #33

What terms exactly should the Ukrainians negotiate for? Hieronymus Phact Oct 2022 #71

Democracy here is at stake, we don't need members of our own party rocking the boat yaesu Oct 2022 #34

They seek a ceasefire, which would... LudwigPastorius Oct 2022 #65

I don't think you've said anything that needs criticism XorXor Oct 2022 #84

I need names to put on my shit list. ColinC Oct 2022 #29

That's fucked up! Beakybird Oct 2022 #31

"realistic framework for a ceasefire" - - - WTAF???? Talitha Oct 2022 #32

neville Chamberlain nvme Oct 2022 #40

This is a bad call by the progressive caucus al bupp Oct 2022 #41

I am disappointed in those members. NCjack Oct 2022 #43

Appeasement didn't work with Hitler either IronLionZion Oct 2022 #42

JUST THE OPPOSITE ... jgo Oct 2022 #45

Agree! Double-down time. Grins Oct 2022 #58

Heather Cox Richardson's daily letter itouches on this soldierant Oct 2022 #46

She's the best! TexasBushwhacker Oct 2022 #81

It's a good start and way past time. David__77 Oct 2022 #47

TRAVESTY!!! dai13sy Oct 2022 #48

maybe they think NJCher Oct 2022 #51

Ask them if they'd try negotiating with TFG Warpy Oct 2022 #52

Agreed padah513 Oct 2022 #54

Peace Talks Roy Rolling Oct 2022 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Oct 2022 #55

I don't get it. Everything they suggest in the letter has been our policy since this all began. PSPS Oct 2022 #56

How do you do that??? Grins Oct 2022 #57

You know what? blue-wave Oct 2022 #59

I support a negotiated settlment if it includes every Russian involved in war crimes being arrested cstanleytech Oct 2022 #62

If it were your friends and neighbors that were dying your perspective might be different pecosbob Oct 2022 #63

Such BS!! so these Dems think the US oughtta roll over & bow to putin onetexan Oct 2022 #66

That's not up for us to decide Shermanator Oct 2022 #67

Putin's idea of negotiation: "Give me what I want or I'll use nuclear weapons" dalton99a Oct 2022 #68

Read some damn history guys. Have you forgotten about World War II? ashredux Oct 2022 #70

KGB Putin will not accede to any Ukranian demands!!! wolfie001 Oct 2022 #72

Very disappointing. nt Xipe Totec Oct 2022 #74

It's not progressive at all to leave out Zelenskyy's terms -- 1. ALL of Crimea back; 2. Every last ancianita Oct 2022 #76

Not no, but HELL NO! BComplex Oct 2022 #77

That's a load of crap! Bayard Oct 2022 #80

Update - They changed their minds SomewhereInTheMiddle Oct 2022 #83

Liberal Democrats withdraw letter to Biden that urged him to rethink Ukraine strategy William769 Oct 2022 #87

Progressive Caucus - not the Liberals JustAnotherGen Oct 2022 #90