U.S. liberal Democrats urge Biden to seek negotiated Ukraine settlement

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82. What would the end state of such negotiations look like?

There is a reason why calls for negotiations don't go into any specific ideas, or even mention what Russia is looking for. The reason is because negotiations means that Russia gets the land it annexed, Ukraine is disarmed, Ukraine is forced to stay "neutral". Let's say for some reason Ukrainians agree to that, then in 5 years Russia will launch another invasion to seize the rest. We know this is how Russia works because that is what they did before. They seized Crimea. That wasn't enough, so they built up a Russian separatist movement in eastern Ukraine. Then when that wasn't enough, they launched a full-scale invasion. Give them what they want now, and at that won't be enough either

Now you might be thinking that Ukrainians might be open to the idea of Russia leaving and the Donbas regions become autonomous regions within Ukraine, and Ukraine goes down a path to join NATO for its well warranted security concerns... But even if Ukrainians go for something like that, the Russians absolutely will not. Ask anyone pushing for a so-called negotiated peace about any real negotiated peace options, and they reject it outright unless Russia gets everything it wants.

Negotiated peace in this context just means Ukrainian capitulation