U.S. liberal Democrats urge Biden to seek negotiated Ukraine settlement

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84. I don't think you've said anything that needs criticism

I'm betting a lot of the strong reactions are coming from this being lumped in with what certain anti-west segments of the far-left are doing. I'm actually hesitate to call them far-left because they are literally siding with a corrupt non-socialist government in Russia. They are simply anti-west. I saw the term campism/campist used before, and I think maybe those people fit into it. The groups I'm referring to are so-called anti-war and anti-imperialist groups like CodePink and ANSWER. Both have shown that even if they may have got some stuff right in the past, they were on the right side for the wrong reasons. Anyway, the point is that I think people are lumping the people who wrote that letter in with those people. And perhaps there is some overlap with some, but I do get a sense that the messages are significantly different.

I have a sense that it's futile, though. To Russia, negotiations is giving Russia everything it wants and making it so Ukraine cannot defend itself in the future when Russia decides it wants more. I don't think the majority of the people who wrote that latter are in the camp that think that's what should happen (unlike the pro-war "anti-war" pro-russian cadre) I'm not sure why they don't realize this, but I suspect they will eventually figure that out if any attempts for a reasonable negotiated peace are made. Russia is not giving up anything it has annexed. In fact, it will probably demand that Ukraine give Russia territory that Ukraine recently took back. That's not a negotiation.