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NullTuples

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3. I'll reiterate:

Wed Oct 26, 2022, 09:21 PM

Oct 2022

That does not just mean that summers, falls, winters and springs will be 4.5 degrees warmer.

It means enough energy will be added to our current environment that the average will rise 4.5 F / 2.5 C

What's four or five degrees, right?

Well, just a degree or two - and we're already ahead of schedule on that - is resulting in huge shifts in weather patterns. Annual farm yields are already down because of it. 4.5 F / 2.5 C may well mean the end of large scale farming, as it will no longer be possible to *predict* the weather, and farming is notoriously finicky about timing vs yields. So now think: what happens to humanity without large scale farming?

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