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Torchlight

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45. The world does this together or fails.

Thu Oct 27, 2022, 10:56 AM

Oct 2022

Every man-made problem possesses a man-made solution.

But as long as we focus on blaming everyone but ourselves, and purchasing "How to Churn Your Own Butter" pamphlets, we will collectively get nowhere.

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Greenhouse gases reach a new record as nations fall behind on climate pledges [View all] ffr Oct 2022 OP

The worst climate offenders are .. at140 Oct 2022 #1

Of course, on a per capita basis, it's not even close which country is the worst on the planet. NNadir Oct 2022 #7

It isn't the poor people of those two nations producing the greenhouse gases Kaleva Oct 2022 #10

No. It is people climbing out of poverty the same way Americans did, burning fossil fuels. NNadir Oct 2022 #13

I'm saying you need to compare apples to apples Kaleva Oct 2022 #16

I don't "guess." If the Chinese lived the way Americans do, the atmosphere would... NNadir Oct 2022 #19

Well, we didnt KNOW 100yrs ago what we know now. Either you want change or not. oldsoftie Oct 2022 #27

We are still burning coal. We want to pretend that by looking... NNadir Oct 2022 #33

But are we building 100s of new coal plants? No. oldsoftie Oct 2022 #42

Look, we burn coal and have been doing so on a massive scale for over... NNadir Oct 2022 #46

Well you can blame the "greens" for the dearth of nuclear here. oldsoftie Oct 2022 #49

My son is a Ph.D student in nuclear engineering. NNadir Oct 2022 #52

All true. But how to get everyone to UNDERSTAND this?? oldsoftie Oct 2022 #54

I've been in favor of nuclear energy ever since 1987, when I started to understand... NNadir Oct 2022 #57

I've certainly gotten a lot of pushback here for backing nuclear power as well. oldsoftie Oct 2022 #58

I've heard so many "major breakthroughs" over my lifetime, I have a very jaundiced view of them... NNadir Oct 2022 #59

Thank you! oldsoftie Oct 2022 #60

Middle class in India is bigger than middle class in USA at140 Oct 2022 #21

If I have time, I may look for numbers. Kaleva Oct 2022 #32

Do not use median income as your criteria at140 Oct 2022 #38

That's because a large segment of the population is poor Kaleva Oct 2022 #40

Correct. Standard of living is much higher in India at140 Oct 2022 #41

My stepdaughter went to India a few years ago Kaleva Oct 2022 #48

Your daughters observation is correct at140 Oct 2022 #50

So let the "poor" of other countries "catch up" & continue polluting? oldsoftie Oct 2022 #26

Hope this will set off alarms everywhere LT Barclay Oct 2022 #2

I doubt it. Kaleva Oct 2022 #6

So do I, but the reality we are approaching is quite disturbing. LT Barclay Oct 2022 #18

Almost everyday I'm doing something towards my goal of adapting to what is expected to come. Kaleva Oct 2022 #24

Prepping/ prepper? OtterDave Oct 2022 #31

Preparing to adapt to what respected experts predict is coming Kaleva Oct 2022 #34

I love gardening as well OtterDave Oct 2022 #36

Yes. So I don't consider it work. More of an enjoyable hobby! Kaleva Oct 2022 #37

I've been concerned about food supply disruption and I want my family to start gardening, even if it LT Barclay Oct 2022 #53

I've been thinking about what you wrote and will offer my advice tomorrow Kaleva Oct 2022 #55

Well thank you! LT Barclay Oct 2022 #56

Some thoughts Kaleva Oct 2022 #61

Good thoughts. My idea of the garden is more of a buffer against extreme price increases. LT Barclay Oct 2022 #62

I'll reiterate: NullTuples Oct 2022 #3

That's an average. Some regions will become much hotter Kaleva Oct 2022 #5

China is now the largest producer of greenhouse gases. Twice as much as the US Kaleva Oct 2022 #4

I commented on the myopia associated with this blame in post #7. NNadir Oct 2022 #8

And I replied to your post stating why I think you are wrong Kaleva Oct 2022 #11

Not really. Americans are not more worthy human beings than Indians or Chinese. NNadir Oct 2022 #14

In 2035, we will have zero emissions jimfields33 Oct 2022 #9

Yes but that won't make a difference if the rest of the world doesn't follow suit Kaleva Oct 2022 #12

Most of this type of soothsaying is delusional, this more so than most. NNadir Oct 2022 #15

Don't know. Use of electric will lower the cost of fuel, right wingers will buy even bigger trucks LT Barclay Oct 2022 #17

No, maybe in some but not all states, only new electric cars will be sold, Dysfunctional Oct 2022 #20

And we'll never have the required infrastructure for total electric anyway. oldsoftie Oct 2022 #43

"All vehicles electric" is ANOTHER pipe dream. oldsoftie Oct 2022 #28

A total fantasy. former9thward Oct 2022 #51

We are soooooooo fucked Javaman Oct 2022 #22

We're Doomed. Heather MC Oct 2022 #23

And that's before accounting for global inflation's reduction of the value of those pledges... nt Starfury Oct 2022 #25

Don't forget the amounts of pollution added to the atmosphere by Putins war oldsoftie Oct 2022 #29

While the US could do more melm00se Oct 2022 #30

Won't help if other nations don't follow suit Kaleva Oct 2022 #35

China and India are rapidly developing nuclear energy. Elessar Zappa Oct 2022 #47

They are also building coal fired power plants Kaleva Oct 2022 #64

Very disturbing. I think its going to take a massive disaster to finally get everyone's attention. honest.abe Oct 2022 #39

I marched in DC about Renewable Energies back in the 80's after Reagan... electric_blue68 Oct 2022 #44

The world does this together or fails. Torchlight Oct 2022 #45

Big fail coming. roamer65 Oct 2022 #63

If you are truly serious about understanding climate change ... jgo Oct 2022 #65