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Ms. Toad

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11. Where are the observers watching the scanning?
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:07 PM
Nov 2012

From my stint watching these in the county I'm observing (same machines), there are marks which don't read well - and there is no warning they are not being read since people are allowed to skip races. The only warning is if NONE of the marks on a page are read (which is how I discovered what reads and doesn't).

Small marks (centered or off center), check marks, and Xs do not read well. Several ballot sheets with only two races read as blank, when it was clear that the races were marked - but not marked properly. (The corresponding first pages - with about 20 races - went through without complaint as long as the machine could read a single mark - the machines are programmed to do that so a manual override is not required every time someone skips a race.)

People who are not used to scantron type sheets do not necessarily complete the bubbles properly - and an elderly population is more likely not to have encountered these kinds of sheets anywhere it counted. Erased marks (light but complete) seem to read as if they are still there. Dark but less complete marks (like those described above) do not seen to be reliably read reliably as present. And I expect there is some variation from scanner to scanner - so if the ballots were scanned on a more sensitive machine the first time, then rescanned on a less sensitive one for a recount, votes could "disappear."

If I ruled the world, I would require a visual once over of each ballot and set aside any ballots with less than complete marks for remaking with complete marks before being scanned

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These ^&*(((s are trying to steal this from the democrats, and the media will let them. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #1
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) Dubster Nov 2012 #2
Unfortunately, you have no idea that's the case... BradBlog Nov 2012 #14
In a word... Unca Jim Nov 2012 #22
I despise Allen West, really! jonthebru Nov 2012 #3
If they can't count with a computer, they should count by hand Renew Deal Nov 2012 #4
+1 davidwparker Nov 2012 #10
+2, and... BradBlog Nov 2012 #16
+3 and have lots of onlookers counting, too wordpix Nov 2012 #19
Let the chips fall where they may. hay rick Nov 2012 #5
Thank you, Hay Rick... BradBlog Nov 2012 #17
Stalin would be feeling pretty smug at this moment. HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #6
"Memory card issue" sounds bogus William Seger Nov 2012 #7
Damn voting machines. Insist on paper audit trails or paper ballots. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #8
There are ALREADY paper ballots here. That's the point... BradBlog Nov 2012 #20
Keep on doing what you're doing, Brad. And, thank you! HCE SuiGeneris Nov 2012 #26
Thanks for clarifying my misunderstanding. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2012 #28
Rethugs stealing another election. Dawson Leery Nov 2012 #9
Where are the observers watching the scanning? Ms. Toad Nov 2012 #11
West is the worst... He was one of the tops on my shit list. defacto7 Nov 2012 #12
The national Democratic party seems to be in a bubble on vote hacking. wellspring Nov 2012 #13
+1 to that! Prana69 Nov 2012 #25
I suggest there should be an investigation of the assertions.... Swede Atlanta Nov 2012 #15
Thanks, Brad. Melissa G Nov 2012 #18
Ohferfucksake. progressoid Nov 2012 #21
It's a coincidence, I tell ya. blkmusclmachine Nov 2012 #23
This really doesn't inspire much confidence in our voting process, does it? LisaL Nov 2012 #24
Counting by hand has errors too, no? HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #27
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