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Arthur_Frain

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82. Perhaps I misunderstood your first reply to me.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:54 AM
Jan 2023

It appeared that you were dismissing out of hand both fission and “super batteries” as non viable, and you stated that nuclear was a “mature technology that we understand”

I don’t mean to be argumentative, but only half of us here in the states are ignoring fossil fuel wastes, and we both know which side is doing that. Most of my liberal friends do all the conservation and recycling they can, none of them “roll coal”.

I agree almost completely with your first paragraph, but I think there’s a fair amount of misunderstanding on both of our parts here. I don’t feel that the idea of using nuclear in particular instances shouldn’t be considered outright, but the proliferation whereby “everyone has one in their backyard” (which is of course, hyperbole, a 50 megawatt new line nuclear reactor powers a community or a town, not a single family home) is not a good idea either, for many of the same reasons we’re having problems now.

And real world data gets blown out of the water just as easily in that “eureka” moment you stated where it’s discovered it can’t be done, as in the moment where there is a breakthrough moment that pushes the technology forward.

I guess my surprise at your resistance to my points comes from your initial statement about your stance on nuclear energy being completely anti nuke in the 70’s. We could go on about diminishing returns vs current storage schemes, but I don’t think we’re going to change one another’s perception of what problems matter more.

Part of my problem is you haven’t squared the waste issue. More nuclear plants = more waste, you will run out of space to store it securely on site, nobody wants to be the state that stores it (for obvious reasons if not always accurate, would you buy a home with a nuclear waste dump next to it for your grandchildren?), it’s an obvious target for domestic/international terrorism, and honestly it appears we have to deal with half of our nation shooting up our electric substations, I don’t think they’ll hesitate to consider a nuclear waste storage facility a priority target.

Plus there’s the entire human nature aspect of this. I grew up watching industry after industry (including the nuclear industry early on, and once again now) telling me all of this is safe, and ”we promise to be responsible and do the right thing” which almost never happens. It always, everywhere, comes down to trying to cut corners to squeak out a few more ergs of profitability, and that’s when the bad shit starts to happen.

You’re going to tell me that this time, we will do it right and not be the lazy, greedy, inattentive people that we’ve been up to now? Shit, most of the folks in my town can’t be bothered to come to a full stop at a stop sign or follow the speed limit. I’m sure similar attention will be given to radioactive waste regulations. I don’t want to see the radioactive version of Love Canal.

Oddly enough, my state is one I think we will end up seeing get a couple of the new reactors. Alaska has many communities that have been waiting for this day. So one way or another, we will get to see how this plays out.

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Here we glow again... No advanced disposal plan unless we shoot them to Mars on Eloon's rockets. Ford_Prefect Jan 2023 #1
Now all the NUKE champions can really have a nuclear reactor in their back yard. Tikki Jan 2023 #2
What is your answer? hunter Jan 2023 #3
+1. Nuclear power and desalination will be essential dalton99a Jan 2023 #4
+2. nt iluvtennis Jan 2023 #24
+10 nt reACTIONary Jan 2023 #7
Nuclear waste disposal. Tikki Jan 2023 #8
In my opinion, the only reason that disposal is a problem... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #10
Bingo! Spot on. paleotn Jan 2023 #13
Uh the waste processing was never considered IbogaProject Jan 2023 #39
It would be helpful... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #41
Exactly FredGarvin Jan 2023 #45
They want to put the spent reactors in my state of NM womanofthehills Jan 2023 #64
Isn't as big a deal as you think. paleotn Jan 2023 #12
I guess you don't live in NM where they want to bury it womanofthehills Jan 2023 #65
Fossil fuel waste is a far greater problem and is likely to destroy our civilization. hunter Jan 2023 #22
Geothermal energy -- available worldwide -- is currently the suppressed renewable energy source. ancianita Jan 2023 #9
Not very practical currently for places such as the East Coast plus you missed something. cstanleytech Jan 2023 #15
Okay. Thought I'd give that one a try. It seems as if there are still more & cheaper pluses than ancianita Jan 2023 #18
Fusion is the answer Polybius Jan 2023 #31
The issue is using Uranium rather than Thorium IbogaProject Jan 2023 #38
Not exactly - Sun Zia wind project 3,000 mw verses 50 mw womanofthehills Jan 2023 #43
This project will only prolong our dependence on fossil fuels, especially gas... hunter Jan 2023 #51
Read the rest of the article - nuclear costs too much womanofthehills Jan 2023 #63
Magical batteries will save us! Hooray! hunter Jan 2023 #68
30 billion for Georgia's nuclear plant - womanofthehills Jan 2023 #74
Sun Zia wind will cost $8 billion vs Georgia's $30 billion plant womanofthehills Jan 2023 #77
Speaking of batteries... LudwigPastorius Jan 2023 #86
Agreed Metaphorical Jan 2023 #48
The only energy resource capable "so far" of displacing fossil fuels entirely. Arthur_Frain Jan 2023 #69
Which technologies are "right on the cusp" as you say? hunter Jan 2023 #70
You're aware of what technologies are on the cusp. Arthur_Frain Jan 2023 #71
Who said anything about "86 researching the technology?" hunter Jan 2023 #72
Perhaps I misunderstood your first reply to me. Arthur_Frain Jan 2023 #82
We're not afraid of fossil fuel waste because we are familiar with it. hunter Jan 2023 #84
NUKE champion here... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #5
When you get it in your backyard, you better stock up on iodine womanofthehills Jan 2023 #44
I've got a five year supply.... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #53
I hope those are GMO soybeans womanofthehills Jan 2023 #76
LOL, +10! nt reACTIONary Jan 2023 #85
And when exactly was the last time someone in the US had to take iodine due to living near reactor? EX500rider Jan 2023 #61
Health Department Distributes Potassium Iodide Pills Around Oyster Creek Nuclear Plant womanofthehills Jan 2023 #75
And what I asked was when was the last time someone had to take them EX500rider Jan 2023 #81
HOAs Metaphorical Jan 2023 #49
LOL, +10 nt reACTIONary Jan 2023 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Metaphorical Jan 2023 #50
Nuclear is probably our only hope at this point. Happy Hoosier Jan 2023 #56
Or tens of thousands or more acres of habitat-obliterating, short-lived solar farms jeffreyi Jan 2023 #62
Not exactly-Most countries are going with wind womanofthehills Jan 2023 #66
I'm an advocate for wind too. Happy Hoosier Jan 2023 #73
My roof is covered in solar panels as are most of my neighbors womanofthehills Jan 2023 #78
Well its about the only way to honestly provide for our current energy usage as solar and cstanleytech Jan 2023 #11
Actually wind is producing more energy than nuclear reactors womanofthehills Jan 2023 #80
Only if you can find a suitable location though with relatively steady wind as well as cstanleytech Jan 2023 #83
great. coming to a street corner near us all. that's another reason they denied global warming - so certainot Jan 2023 #27
Its the ONLY realistic way to achieve it. oldsoftie Jan 2023 #35
I assumed the municipality tonekat Jan 2023 #55
This is the only way to end fossil fuels Mysterian Jan 2023 #6
Use West Texas dalton99a Jan 2023 #14
Actually, the government picked SE New Mexico womanofthehills Jan 2023 #79
"This is the only way to end fossil fuels" Currently true as solar and wind do have limitations. cstanleytech Jan 2023 #16
Lots of places in the contiguous 48 states for safe disposal... paleotn Jan 2023 #19
Store it on site FredGarvin Jan 2023 #46
They already do that. hunter Jan 2023 #52
Looks like it's New Mexico womanofthehills Jan 2023 #67
The US Navy has operated hundreds of small, portable nuclear plants for nearly 70 years pfitz59 Jan 2023 #17
Like. n/t iluvtennis Jan 2023 #25
100%. You nailed it. NT Happy Hoosier Jan 2023 #57
What is the solution to the waste problem? 3825-87867 Jan 2023 #20
FYI... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #30
Store the waste on site. FredGarvin Jan 2023 #42
This can save a lot of time and money. Tennessee Hillbilly Jan 2023 #21
This also means there is no way to appropriately review the design by anyone outside of the industry Ford_Prefect Jan 2023 #26
This seems to be the way it is done for other... reACTIONary Jan 2023 #34
They migh not produce carbom or methane emissions, but they're hardly clean Warpy Jan 2023 #23
What could go wrong? nt BWdem4life Jan 2023 #28
Small operations will have much smaller problems than large structures. multigraincracker Jan 2023 #29
5 Fast Facts about Spent Nuclear Fuel reACTIONary Jan 2023 #32
THIS should have its own OP for all the naysayers around here. oldsoftie Jan 2023 #36
Thanks. . . . h2ebits Jan 2023 #33
From Wikipedia Red Mountain Jan 2023 #37
Nuclear waste versus global warming DBoon Jan 2023 #40
Let's replace all energy generators with Bicycle generators pedaled by slaves. Wolf Frankula Jan 2023 #47
Let's replace all energy generators with bicycle generators pedaled by aka-chmeee Jan 2023 #60
Tha Naysayers sound like anti-vaxxers, IMHO. Happy Hoosier Jan 2023 #58
Here is a very informative video on dealing with nuclear waste Takket Jan 2023 #59
Can someone explain to me how these are inherently safer than large reactors? LudwigPastorius Jan 2023 #87
That's good news! The startup of a new, traditionally giant reactor Hortensis Jan 2023 #88
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