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aggiesal

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83. Apparently you don't understand how Social Security works ...
Sat Mar 11, 2023, 03:24 PM
Mar 2023

Notice that they put the word BORROWED in quotes, why is that?

We pay into Social Security through our payroll taxes.

The Treasury receives this in cash. Instead of cash just sitting around, BY LAW the cash is converted into bonds which the money is then used by congress however they see fit. Selling the cash to acquire bonds protects the money against inflation by earning interest on that money. So basically every President/Congress has "Borrowed" funds from Social Security. These bonds mature in 5-15 years.

In the 1980's due to the impending baby boomer retirements, a "Trust Fund" was used to accumulate excess SS funds. These funds were place in the Old-Age, Survivors, & Disability Insurance (OASDI) "Trust Fund". Up until 2009, the "Trust Fund" was running a surplus. This is the amount received by Social Security exceeding the amount paid out of Social Security. So the "Trust Fund" continued to grow.

2010 was the first year that the amount paid out of Social Security started exceeding the amount Social Security received. At this point the Treasury would sell off the mature "Trust Fund" bonds to cover the difference. Initially this was expected to last until 2042. This is by design. But due to the mortgage melt down and the Covid pandemic, less money was collected for Social Security, so more of the "Trust Fund" was used than expected, decreasing the "Trust Funds" date of insolvency to 2035.

G.W. McIdiot "Borrowing" to pay for $708B is irrelevant, because BY LAW, that money was replaced with Bonds, which have already matured.

Here is how each President used the "Borrowed" money from SS.
FDR used SS funds to pay for unemployment.
Harry Truman used it to pay non-farm unemployment.
Dwight Eisenhower used it provided medical care for elderly people who were not receiving government benefits.
John Kennedy used it to allow workers to opt for early retirement at age 62
Lyndon Johnson used it to start Medicare (Medicaid was to be funded by states) along with paying for the Vietnam War.
Richard Nixon used it to implement the Cost Of Living Adjustment (COLA)
Gerald Ford used it to enact the Child Support Enforcement program
Jimmy Carter used it to change how benefits would be computed.
Ronald Reagan used it to increase the benefits for disabled widows and widowers & creating the "Trust Fund"
George H.W. Bush used it to safeguard the privacy of beneficiaries.
Bill Clinton used it to modify disability benefits to people whose disabilities were related to alcoholism and/or drug addiction.
George W. Bush used it to pay for his tax cuts and the Afghanistan war
Barack Obama used it to pay for the Affordable Care Act.
Donald Trump used it for Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act)
Joe Biden has used it for the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021

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Post removed Post removed Mar 2023 #1
No, it doesn't. We don't know that they'll be living that much longer, with the way pnwmom Mar 2023 #2
"Retirement age matches life expectancy" Roy Rolling Mar 2023 #36
I guess she isn't aware that it gets hard as hell TexasBushwhacker Mar 2023 #74
I had a friend who had that idea. She said that people "see that money coming when they're 62 and CTyankee Mar 2023 #94
My best friend had to take it at age 62 because she was caring for her mother TexasBushwhacker Mar 2023 #95
No, it doesn't. JenniferJuniper Mar 2023 #4
The SS Cap for 2023 is FalloutShelter Mar 2023 #7
Exactly Rebl2 Mar 2023 #18
They're against it because employers would have to match the deductions (nt) William Seger Mar 2023 #39
In Part Because Of A Biden Promise... GB_RN Mar 2023 #49
They're against it because not fooled Mar 2023 #58
Right, and it's not just physical labor. thesquanderer Mar 2023 #47
Bullshit. ret5hd Mar 2023 #5
It doesn't have to happen SouthernDem4ever Mar 2023 #9
The Trust Fund is supposed to run out ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #60
Then it needs to be shored up SouthernDem4ever Mar 2023 #67
Social Security Yes. Trust Fund will be depleted by 2037, by design. ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #68
No, it wasn't. It was supposed to have been "fixed" before the Iraq war, but then George Bush pnwmom Mar 2023 #71
They borrowed the money and paid with US Savings bonds ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #73
No, it wasn't slated to run out. It was slated to have enough funds through pnwmom Mar 2023 #75
From Politicfact.com & Social Security Administration ssa.gov ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #76
From your link: "As for not "paying back," the bonds won't need to be repaid until 2020." pnwmom Mar 2023 #77
YES! By law! ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #79
Here's what Politifact claimed was wrong with the idea that Bush took saved Social Security funds pnwmom Mar 2023 #80
Apparently you don't understand how Social Security works ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom Mar 2023 #84
The Trust Fund was never expected to last past 2042. ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #86
YOU keep using the word "borrowed" and then you prove that it wasn't "borrowed" pnwmom Mar 2023 #88
1st, the term ''Borrowed'' is not mine it is Politifact ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #90
I just want you to understand that Social Security is not weaken because of ''borrowing" ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #91
It doesn't matter what the other Presidents did. We had a projected surplus, and if Bush pnwmom Mar 2023 #85
The Tax cuts for the wealthy are money not collected, not money paid out after the 1st year ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #87
Are republicans entirely incapable Mr.Bill Mar 2023 #3
Sure seems that way, doesn't it. Ferrets are Cool Mar 2023 #24
Eisenhower and the highway system then Nixon with the EPA is all I can come up with in LoisB Mar 2023 #32
You did good to come up with two. Ferrets are Cool Mar 2023 #45
Thank you. LoisB Mar 2023 #46
"Old style" Republicans Klondike Kat Mar 2023 #48
no, they are more than happy to help the super wealthy Skittles Mar 2023 #25
That is an excellent question & would make a good ad campaign. CrispyQ Mar 2023 #54
That's true, we do lack in that area. Mr.Bill Mar 2023 #57
Life expectancy is dropping, according to the CDC. Wingus Dingus Mar 2023 #6
Yep. area51 Mar 2023 #29
They are marching in the streets in France for trying to raise it to 64 Cheezoholic Mar 2023 #8
Yes. 67 is already way too old. JenniferJuniper Mar 2023 #10
Anyone know Traildogbob Mar 2023 #11
One term according to Santos. sinkingfeeling Mar 2023 #14
The scumbag George Santos said he needed to get elected to "get health for life" winstars Mar 2023 #15
So why didn't "Santos"/"DeVolder" stay in his native Brazil, area51 Mar 2023 #28
It is a lie Farmer-Rick Mar 2023 #51
Life expectancy in the US has dropped the last two years. sinkingfeeling Mar 2023 #12
If the retirement age matches life expectancy, then on average no one could retire. Nt spooky3 Mar 2023 #13
Life expectancy in the US has dropped the last two years. Hope22 Mar 2023 #16
Life expectancy when SS was enacted was 61 for white males Kaleva Mar 2023 #66
That demo voted against them 70-30% tishaLA Mar 2023 #17
Way to ensure that tend continues. yardwork Mar 2023 #69
But to WHAT, Nikki, to WHAT???!!! Montauk6 Mar 2023 #19
Birth, school, work, death n/t hibbing Mar 2023 #20
. Coventina Mar 2023 #61
Yep, that's it n/t hibbing Mar 2023 #63
Of course what few people of that age that vote wouldn't vote doc03 Mar 2023 #21
well I don't think like that Skittles Mar 2023 #26
I don't either but here in Trumpistan that is doc03 Mar 2023 #31
MAGAts are the minority Skittles Mar 2023 #34
I am a "boomer" and care very much for the subsequent generations. I have grandchildren and LoisB Mar 2023 #33
Egocentric Puppyjive Mar 2023 #22
Typical wishy-washy statement to get press attention calguy Mar 2023 #23
American life expectancy has been dropping Fiendish Thingy Mar 2023 #27
Fuck her Solly Mack Mar 2023 #30
I can think of a couple of reasons why not airplaneman Mar 2023 #35
How it was done the last time Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2023 #37
Yep, and Democrats voted for it in 1983 madville Mar 2023 #38
They want you to work until you drop dead Farmer-Rick Mar 2023 #50
I think the average life span is going down. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2023 #40
Yes it has. honest.abe Mar 2023 #65
It's not a game, Nikki truthisfreedom Mar 2023 #41
Hey Nikki, do you really think 20-year-old don't vote? They do vote... good luck. ashredux Mar 2023 #42
Lets destroy their natural resources first PuraVidaDreamin Mar 2023 #43
Every single time Republican candidates propose tampering with SS, they lose votes. ancianita Mar 2023 #44
That should help inspire millenials to vote for her jcgoldie Mar 2023 #52
Getting herself street cred for supporting the top 1%. harun Mar 2023 #53
Sorry suckers. CrispyQ Mar 2023 #55
The belch crap into our atmosphere, pollute our water. Prairie_Seagull Mar 2023 #56
Hilarious how she thinks anyone other than her friends and relatives give 2 fucks about what she Carlitos Brigante Mar 2023 #59
Thread winner!!! hamsterjill Mar 2023 #62
. Carlitos Brigante Mar 2023 #93
Republicans won't be happy until everyone has to work until they drop dead. yellowcanine Mar 2023 #64
In ark, oh and wv go to work or get married younger and die with no end in sight Marthe48 Mar 2023 #70
What about her stupid mental competency test? LisaM Mar 2023 #72
So, her proposal is "Work! Until you die."? GoodRaisin Mar 2023 #78
That's how it was when SS was first enacted Kaleva Mar 2023 #81
Wish her luck campaigning on that now. GoodRaisin Mar 2023 #92
You get what you vote for, young people Mysterian Mar 2023 #82
GQP retirement age is death Kennah Mar 2023 #89
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