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Kaleva

(40,106 posts)
77. You have every right to defend idiot gun humpers
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 08:15 AM
Apr 2023

It's not against the rules here and you won't be banned for it.

Your comment:

"takes a firearm for defense?"

When one who has a gun in their hand closes the distance with possible bad guys, you are on offense and not defense .

Your comment:

"and in an unthinking moment"

The purpose of training is so that one doesn't have to think in a stressful situation as very, very few of us are capable of thinking clearly during that time.

I'm unaware of any reputable self defense expert or organization that teaches gun owners to do what the what the deceased did and I bet if you looked, you won't find any either

The bottom line is that guns are dangerous and it's imperative that those who own a gun or are thinking of getting one for home/self defense get the appropriate training and regularly practice that training. You believe otherwise which is why you refered to him as a victim. I strongly disagree with your belief.

I have a revolver and a CPL but since I had my left shoulder replaced last summer I have not been able to keep up on my training and drills which I used to about 3 times a week. The empty gun is secured in a locked gun safe in the master bedroom and the ammo is in a locked, metal ammo box in the basement. It's going to remain that way until I can get back on track with the training .

I still conduct safe room drills. Especially when the grandkids are over. The masterbedroom is the designated safe room. The door is reinforced and has a deadbolt as are all exterior doors. We have Ring doorbells with video so we can see and talk to whoever is outside even from our safe room thus reducing risk to ourselves.

For far too many homeowners who have a gun, the gun is the first line of defense when it should be the defense of last resort.

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K & R ..Stupid Cops, Very Stupid Cops,...In New York City or Los Angeles this would ..NOT HAPPEN!! Stuart G Apr 2023 #1
It happens in NY and LA sarisataka Apr 2023 #3
Sorry, I was wrong. That happens from time to time. Stuart G Apr 2023 #8
"Yep, looks like 5308 to me" dalton99a Apr 2023 #2
I agree with you...Hard to tell an eight from a five in that picture. :sarcasm: Stuart G Apr 2023 #5
Especially With 3 Floodlights Right Above The Number ProfessorGAC Apr 2023 #48
2nd amendment home-personal defense fails ... sanatanadharma Apr 2023 #4
Seriously? ruet Apr 2023 #7
It sounds like he didn't fire at all, just brandished. eggplant Apr 2023 #9
Seriously! they should not have brought the gun to the door sanatanadharma Apr 2023 #14
Seriously? Again? ruet Apr 2023 #20
I applaud your thought to be discretely armed sanatanadharma Apr 2023 #28
You know what I do if someone unexpected is pounding on my door ExWhoDoesntCare Apr 2023 #56
You would answer the door before knowing who was outside? friend of a friend Apr 2023 #71
They did not know who was at the door. LiberalArkie Apr 2023 #51
Wait a second...they went to the wrong house. sheshe2 Apr 2023 #59
Why would you greet the police with a gun? Tumbulu Apr 2023 #11
Did the police identify themselves? csziggy Apr 2023 #16
I have lived in small towns and or rural areas my adult life and everyone sort of Tumbulu Apr 2023 #60
I would sarisataka Apr 2023 #19
well, it seems as though you handled it differently than these people did Tumbulu Apr 2023 #61
I would agree sarisataka Apr 2023 #72
Husband and wife didn't know it was the police. NutmegYankee Apr 2023 #69
Seems as though their ignorant approach proved to be lethal in this instance Tumbulu Apr 2023 #74
I don't understand how this went down. friend of a friend Apr 2023 #6
Agree! Tumbulu Apr 2023 #12
Bet this now dead gun owner had no training Kaleva Apr 2023 #10
yeah, right - put it on a homeowner defending himself azureblue Apr 2023 #22
Of course I blame it on the gun humper Kaleva Apr 2023 #32
absolutely right! Tumbulu Apr 2023 #75
Victim blaming, when one wakes up to banging on the door... duhneece Apr 2023 #76
You have every right to defend idiot gun humpers Kaleva Apr 2023 #77
If only he'd had a gun. truthisfreedom Apr 2023 #13
Did they identify as being police when they knocked on the door ? JI7 Apr 2023 #15
Too many guns. colorado_ufo Apr 2023 #17
too many trigger happy cops azureblue Apr 2023 #23
Amen colorado_ufo Apr 2023 #25
And too many gun owners who don't know what they are doing Kaleva Apr 2023 #33
Are police that stupid they don't know they were at the wrong address? LiberalFighter Apr 2023 #18
Excellent point. In our area, even house numbers are on the north and east sides of streets. yonder Apr 2023 #27
I know! That's a bad mistake, unless it's some weird street LeftInTX Apr 2023 #73
All the homeowner had to do was speak to the cops and tell them they were at the wrong Vinca Apr 2023 #21
How did you determine that he pointed a gun at them? nt sl8 Apr 2023 #24
Did you read the original post? That's what it says. Vinca Apr 2023 #53
Mind quoting it for me? sl8 Apr 2023 #54
It said... Whatthe_Firetruck Apr 2023 #62
I agree. sl8 Apr 2023 #66
The number of people here defending the cop is pretty astonishing NickB79 Apr 2023 #26
The number of people here defending a gun humper is astonishing Kaleva Apr 2023 #34
Except you just made up a bunch of stuff NickB79 Apr 2023 #38
Quote where I said he pointed a gun at the cops Kaleva Apr 2023 #44
Apparently we have different definitions of "confronted" NickB79 Apr 2023 #49
There are many here who say they are terrified of others with guns Kaleva Apr 2023 #64
I remember the last time DU defended cops sarisataka Apr 2023 #35
the white washing of the department will now start. republianmushroom Apr 2023 #29
Better Technology and better Training for all involved. MarcA Apr 2023 #30
True Kaleva Apr 2023 #37
I'm sorry however the burden of initial identification is solely of the responding officers... EarthFirst Apr 2023 #31
Looks like the homeowner's gun didn't protect him... SunSeeker Apr 2023 #36
He'd be alive today if he didn't have one Kaleva Apr 2023 #39
Yup. SunSeeker Apr 2023 #40
So You Are For Banning Guns Outright? -NT- ruet Apr 2023 #42
No, just posting a PSA. SunSeeker Apr 2023 #45
What On Earth Would Lead You To Come to This Conclusion? -NT- ruet Apr 2023 #41
What did your training teach you to do in that situation? Kaleva Apr 2023 #46
As an LEO or Homeowner? ruet Apr 2023 #47
As a homeowner, if you wanted to defend innocents, you wouldn't keep a gun in the house. SunSeeker Apr 2023 #55
So you have no home defense training. Kaleva Apr 2023 #63
"Double-check? What's that?" -these fucking cops sakabatou Apr 2023 #43
And then there are gun owners who don't have a clue Kaleva Apr 2023 #67
When I was young, I was renting a house in a low income neighborhood womanofthehills Apr 2023 #50
If they have bodycams I would be interested in seeing them before judging to see cstanleytech Apr 2023 #52
Post removed Post removed Apr 2023 #57
Welcome to DU!. n/t GP6971 Apr 2023 #58
Grrrr allnews Apr 2023 #65
Brandishing a gun in New Mexico and answering the door Kaleva Apr 2023 #68
Guns make us safe. Back the blue IronLionZion Apr 2023 #70
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