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MADem

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46. It's not hinky at all--it's how base CO's are dealing with the Congressional mandate WRT MWR/MWA
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:08 AM
Nov 2012

entities on installations. If your club doesn't make money, you have to CLOSE it. If your golf course is in the red, you have to CLOSE it. If your bowling alley isn't profitable, you have to CLOSE it. That's the way it works now--no excuses, no exceptions--and no military people running that shit anymore, either--it's all civilianized and it has to turn a profit, or else.

As a consequence, you have a lot of creative management happening to keep these things afloat for the benefit of the uniforms on the installation. I've seen programs at bases where kids from religious programs unrelated to bases are bused in by the dozens to use (and PAY to use) the bowling alleys on a Saturday morning, when most of the usual customers--single servicemembers--are still sleeping off their Friday night of partying. I've been assigned to commands where the golf course was opened up to "select" civilians--i.e., community bigwigs who wouldn't get drunk and make trouble, and they were invited to join the club and pay monthly dues.

This program is, pure and simple, not a "general's perk" deal, it's an "installation management" device--a command tool. Nothing more. It's also, as I said, a consequence of a congressional mandate about MWR/MWA activities--there's no more profit-sucking perks allowed, anymore, with the taxpayers picking up the tab. With the exception of a few rare "hardship" outposts, MWR/MWA activities have to make money, or they must be closed. This was the CO's way of increasing his customer base by 800.

It's by "invitation only" so there's a vetting process (that includes a background check). You don't want assholes who tend to get drunk and create work for your MPs running around the clubs, after all. You want to be dealing with people who will be of benefit to you as an installation commander, who will support annual charitable shindigs, get involved in morale activities for the troops, and add to--not detract from--the overall Quality of Life effort at the installation.

Here--read about the guy who started the program (in an article in a blog that serves as a "bridge" to the civilian community, months before the scandal broke): http://offthebase.wordpress.com/2012/07/28/macdill-afb-a-community-bids-farewell-to-richoux/


Col. Lenny Richoux was certainly a popular commander when running Tampa’s MacDill Air Force Base. He started a friends of MacDill program to encourage civilian members of the community to visit the base and get to know its work and people.
Richoux also worked to expand services to military families, about 80 percent of them, living off base in communities such as Brandon. So, it’s no wonder that this billboard appeared in Brandon.
I don’t know who sponsored the billboard, but you hope Richoux and his family have a chance to see it before flying off to Belgium, their new post.
And a welcome to Col. Scott DeThomas, a friend of Richoux’s, and the new MacDill AFB commander and leader of the 6th Air Mobility Wing.




You have to be very careful how you implement these sorts of things--if you go overboard, you can get complaints from local businesses that the base is taking away their livelihood. You will never see any of those MacDill 'friends' shopping in the exchange or commissary, though you will see them in the "mall" portion of that complex where no ACDU/Ret IDs are required, where there's a food court, a GNC, a beauty parlor/barbershop, souvenir stands, stuff like that.

It's not the "generals" who are making the decision--it's the host commander, and he's making the call based on people who are "known" in the community and who are willing to pay seventeen bucks a month to join the O club (that's a lot of money when you have eight hundred "new members" keeping the club afloat).

Congressional appropriations committees scrutinize MWR/MWA on a line-by-line basis. They also gripe incessantly about personnel/medical costs. Believe me, I have personal experience in this regard.

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This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #1
i think you have to assume it's an Allen underling aletier_v Nov 2012 #3
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because her then brother-in-law is this guy riverwalker Nov 2012 #12
looks like her former brother in law is affiliated with the Bushco. olddad56 Nov 2012 #16
Or how she got the pass with her financial history. nt DCKit Nov 2012 #6
That's my question. She passed a background check??!! Who would fail? yardwork Nov 2012 #15
someone on high got it rubberstamped for her... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #23
No kidding. amandabeech Nov 2012 #18
Apparently Gen Mike DeLong. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #27
This has the makings of loyalkydem Nov 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #4
They do--it was a scheme to get wealthy, well-behaved patrons into MWR facilities. MADem Nov 2012 #29
Well now to be fair to Ms. Kelley, she was providing "services" Tutonic Nov 2012 #42
They exist at MacDill--eight hundred people have them. It's a moneymaker for MWR/MWA. MADem Nov 2012 #44
Good!!! Bye-bye gawdy, grifter groupie LeftInTX Nov 2012 #7
She doesn't need a pass because she's an honorary consul FightingIrish Nov 2012 #8
I wasn't an MP back then Corgigal Nov 2012 #10
You mean this wouldn't get her in with a smart salute? FightingIrish Nov 2012 #13
actually probably not Corgigal Nov 2012 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #25
Lots of times, it's civilians on the gates--it is at Hanscom, more often than not. nt MADem Nov 2012 #45
Back then they didn't care who you were. lalalu Nov 2012 #20
Air Force bases have dumped the stickers. You get in with an ID alone, now. MADem Nov 2012 #30
I was stationed at MacDill for four years Corgigal Nov 2012 #9
Every flag/general staff I've been associated with has paid protocol officers, either mid-grade MADem Nov 2012 #31
Was it like this scene from Branded lalalu Nov 2012 #11
Jill Kelley stripped of cloths too. Google Jill Kelly ...check images. L0oniX Nov 2012 #17
I'm at work, so I'll just say: If those images are of a blonde, that's a different Jill Kelly. FiveGoodMen Nov 2012 #21
there is a Jill Kelly that is a well-known blonde porn actress TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #47
Paul Broadwell's security clearance has been pulled. amandabeech Nov 2012 #19
Barbara Starr is a good reporter. She knows where many Pentagon bodies are buried. MADem Nov 2012 #34
I like her person and very much respect her work. amandabeech Nov 2012 #38
That would be a good read! nt MADem Nov 2012 #43
"a thorough investigation is underway." dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #39
"security material in her home, which is a no-no" aletier_v Nov 2012 #41
No sponsor, no employer, not a contractor, no reason to be there. TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #22
She was one of eight hundred that were invited to be there. MADem Nov 2012 #33
Yeah, that's total bullshit. I used to live at MacDill, and that program TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #37
It's not hinky at all--it's how base CO's are dealing with the Congressional mandate WRT MWR/MWA MADem Nov 2012 #46
Sorry, I think it's crap. If there aren't enough military and retiree users to TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #49
I have some experience with this sort of situation. MADem Nov 2012 #51
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It cracks me up that the press keeps using the term "socialite" to describe this groupie. PSPS Nov 2012 #24
Does this mean that powergirl Nov 2012 #26
I got to "Socialite Jill Kelley stripped"... and then was disappointed underpants Nov 2012 #28
Inviolability ain't what it used to be..... DeSwiss Nov 2012 #32
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but.but..I thought the "war on Terraaahhh" meant INCREASED security. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #40
They're very open nowadays--they use the whole "circular zone" thing to restrict access. MADem Nov 2012 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #52
Hanscom is, as USAF bases go, pretty shitty when it comes to facilities/services. MADem Nov 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #53
Just because the host command isn't subjecting these people to media scrutiny does not make the MADem Nov 2012 #59
Could also be sloppy reporting from an ignorant "reporter". PavePusher Nov 2012 #50
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