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MADem

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51. I have some experience with this sort of situation.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:00 AM
Nov 2012

Go on and close that bowling alley--and you'll hear from the ombudsmen that that's where they held their meeting of their charitable organization, or that's where their kids had their after-school program, or that's what kept those punk eighth graders out of trouble when the pool closed. You'll get an earful. Every opportunity you can take to keep a variety of MWR/MWA activities open and viable, you need to take. As an installation commander, you're judged not just on how well your base runs day-to-day, but on your bottom line. If you can't keep your non-appropriated funds instrumentalities up-n-running, you're a loser.

It's not a question solely of "local prominence," though that is not ignored, certainly, but it is a question of money, and if a regular visitor can help the base out in other ways (donating to a scholarship fund, for example, to be awarded to one of the kids of a servicemember graduating from high school, or contributing funding for a Welcome Home BBQ for returning deployed personnel) this kind of thing is helpful. It does forge better relations with the local community, and if the local community isn't hating the military, life is easier all around.

These people aren't nearly helpful if THEY have to be "sponsored" and signed in--their utility is that THEY can bring five others in during the daytime to spend money on base. Believe me, that money is critical to keeping the recreational services--that are used by junior personnel with not much money in their paychecks--available.

About the only thing run by MWR/MWA that can "legally" lose money is the gymnasium--that's because it's a "mission readiness" component--people need to be fit to fight and have to pass their PT test twice a year.

This sort of thing, where civilians are granted access, ONLY applies to MWA/MWR (non-appropriated funds) recreational activities. PX/Commissary privileges will NEVER be granted to them--DOD has made this very clear down the years, and it won't be changed.

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This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #1
i think you have to assume it's an Allen underling aletier_v Nov 2012 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #5
because her then brother-in-law is this guy riverwalker Nov 2012 #12
looks like her former brother in law is affiliated with the Bushco. olddad56 Nov 2012 #16
Or how she got the pass with her financial history. nt DCKit Nov 2012 #6
That's my question. She passed a background check??!! Who would fail? yardwork Nov 2012 #15
someone on high got it rubberstamped for her... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #23
No kidding. amandabeech Nov 2012 #18
Apparently Gen Mike DeLong. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #27
This has the makings of loyalkydem Nov 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #4
They do--it was a scheme to get wealthy, well-behaved patrons into MWR facilities. MADem Nov 2012 #29
Well now to be fair to Ms. Kelley, she was providing "services" Tutonic Nov 2012 #42
They exist at MacDill--eight hundred people have them. It's a moneymaker for MWR/MWA. MADem Nov 2012 #44
Good!!! Bye-bye gawdy, grifter groupie LeftInTX Nov 2012 #7
She doesn't need a pass because she's an honorary consul FightingIrish Nov 2012 #8
I wasn't an MP back then Corgigal Nov 2012 #10
You mean this wouldn't get her in with a smart salute? FightingIrish Nov 2012 #13
actually probably not Corgigal Nov 2012 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #25
Lots of times, it's civilians on the gates--it is at Hanscom, more often than not. nt MADem Nov 2012 #45
Back then they didn't care who you were. lalalu Nov 2012 #20
Air Force bases have dumped the stickers. You get in with an ID alone, now. MADem Nov 2012 #30
I was stationed at MacDill for four years Corgigal Nov 2012 #9
Every flag/general staff I've been associated with has paid protocol officers, either mid-grade MADem Nov 2012 #31
Was it like this scene from Branded lalalu Nov 2012 #11
Jill Kelley stripped of cloths too. Google Jill Kelly ...check images. L0oniX Nov 2012 #17
I'm at work, so I'll just say: If those images are of a blonde, that's a different Jill Kelly. FiveGoodMen Nov 2012 #21
there is a Jill Kelly that is a well-known blonde porn actress TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #47
Paul Broadwell's security clearance has been pulled. amandabeech Nov 2012 #19
Barbara Starr is a good reporter. She knows where many Pentagon bodies are buried. MADem Nov 2012 #34
I like her person and very much respect her work. amandabeech Nov 2012 #38
That would be a good read! nt MADem Nov 2012 #43
"a thorough investigation is underway." dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #39
"security material in her home, which is a no-no" aletier_v Nov 2012 #41
No sponsor, no employer, not a contractor, no reason to be there. TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #22
She was one of eight hundred that were invited to be there. MADem Nov 2012 #33
Yeah, that's total bullshit. I used to live at MacDill, and that program TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #37
It's not hinky at all--it's how base CO's are dealing with the Congressional mandate WRT MWR/MWA MADem Nov 2012 #46
Sorry, I think it's crap. If there aren't enough military and retiree users to TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #49
I have some experience with this sort of situation. MADem Nov 2012 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #55
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It cracks me up that the press keeps using the term "socialite" to describe this groupie. PSPS Nov 2012 #24
Does this mean that powergirl Nov 2012 #26
I got to "Socialite Jill Kelley stripped"... and then was disappointed underpants Nov 2012 #28
Inviolability ain't what it used to be..... DeSwiss Nov 2012 #32
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but.but..I thought the "war on Terraaahhh" meant INCREASED security. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #40
They're very open nowadays--they use the whole "circular zone" thing to restrict access. MADem Nov 2012 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #52
Hanscom is, as USAF bases go, pretty shitty when it comes to facilities/services. MADem Nov 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #53
Just because the host command isn't subjecting these people to media scrutiny does not make the MADem Nov 2012 #59
Could also be sloppy reporting from an ignorant "reporter". PavePusher Nov 2012 #50
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