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MADem

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58. Hanscom is, as USAF bases go, pretty shitty when it comes to facilities/services.
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:41 AM
Nov 2012

The new commissary/exchange is nicer than the old one, but what else do they have? The bowling alley, the little movie theater that doesn't show first run movies, a couple of clubs, the lousiest class six store I've seen in years, a gas station that doesn't offer any savings, a nine hole golf course that's miles away from the base-it's not a jewel in the USAF MWR crown--and the place is constantly under the BRAC gun. I wouldn't be surprised if they go on the block, again, in the next round. What might save them is that they intend to be the host base for some MA NG units--that will bring people to the base to spend money.

Also, Hanscom doesn't have a need for more MWR money--their MWR footprint is appropriate to the community they serve, and they don't have a lot of fluctuation in the numbers of personnel they support, like some other bases have to deal with (feast when there are personnel aboard; famine when they are deployed). They don't have much, but they don't need much. Even with the possibility of future NG assets, they still have plenty of room--they might need to hire a few people to handle the extra traffic, but they won't run out of room at their facilities.

I was at Hanscom a month or so ago--I had a relative with me who is not affiliated with the military in any way. I showed my ID, and in we went. I used to need a sticker on my car to get in there -- no longer. They've done away with those, too. The only time you have to go through that Visitor Center drill is if you work/live on base and a visitor, unaccompanied by you, is coming to visit you. If you're with the person, you're responsible for them.

Also, Hanscom does open their facilities to the public on occasion. Not as much as MacDill and they don't have a "Friends" program, but they still do it. Air shows, athletic contests--I think they let the local high school use their golf course, and I seem to recall a non-military church group getting in trouble owing to the misbehavior of one of their number at the bowling alley a few years ago.

MacDill has nicer facilities, and TWO golf clubs in a community where golf is quite popular and you sometimes have to fight to get a tee time--there's money to be made, there, and that's why the CO established that program. Hanscom just doesn't have much that would appeal to a civilian, that they could legally use (commissary/exchange are off limits to civilians, no matter where you go). There are better facilities out in town. It's just not a draw. Also, this is New England--local businessmen aren't going to welcome the idea of base facilities being opened up to compete with them for civilian dollars--that kind of scenario just would not fly. In any event, MacDill isn't the only base that has used this kind of program, but you need cooperation from the community and you also have to have "stuff" that's worth using--Hanscom just doesn't have that. It has "adequate" facilities but it's nothing to write home about.

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This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #1
i think you have to assume it's an Allen underling aletier_v Nov 2012 #3
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because her then brother-in-law is this guy riverwalker Nov 2012 #12
looks like her former brother in law is affiliated with the Bushco. olddad56 Nov 2012 #16
Or how she got the pass with her financial history. nt DCKit Nov 2012 #6
That's my question. She passed a background check??!! Who would fail? yardwork Nov 2012 #15
someone on high got it rubberstamped for her... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #23
No kidding. amandabeech Nov 2012 #18
Apparently Gen Mike DeLong. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #27
This has the makings of loyalkydem Nov 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #4
They do--it was a scheme to get wealthy, well-behaved patrons into MWR facilities. MADem Nov 2012 #29
Well now to be fair to Ms. Kelley, she was providing "services" Tutonic Nov 2012 #42
They exist at MacDill--eight hundred people have them. It's a moneymaker for MWR/MWA. MADem Nov 2012 #44
Good!!! Bye-bye gawdy, grifter groupie LeftInTX Nov 2012 #7
She doesn't need a pass because she's an honorary consul FightingIrish Nov 2012 #8
I wasn't an MP back then Corgigal Nov 2012 #10
You mean this wouldn't get her in with a smart salute? FightingIrish Nov 2012 #13
actually probably not Corgigal Nov 2012 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #25
Lots of times, it's civilians on the gates--it is at Hanscom, more often than not. nt MADem Nov 2012 #45
Back then they didn't care who you were. lalalu Nov 2012 #20
Air Force bases have dumped the stickers. You get in with an ID alone, now. MADem Nov 2012 #30
I was stationed at MacDill for four years Corgigal Nov 2012 #9
Every flag/general staff I've been associated with has paid protocol officers, either mid-grade MADem Nov 2012 #31
Was it like this scene from Branded lalalu Nov 2012 #11
Jill Kelley stripped of cloths too. Google Jill Kelly ...check images. L0oniX Nov 2012 #17
I'm at work, so I'll just say: If those images are of a blonde, that's a different Jill Kelly. FiveGoodMen Nov 2012 #21
there is a Jill Kelly that is a well-known blonde porn actress TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #47
Paul Broadwell's security clearance has been pulled. amandabeech Nov 2012 #19
Barbara Starr is a good reporter. She knows where many Pentagon bodies are buried. MADem Nov 2012 #34
I like her person and very much respect her work. amandabeech Nov 2012 #38
That would be a good read! nt MADem Nov 2012 #43
"a thorough investigation is underway." dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #39
"security material in her home, which is a no-no" aletier_v Nov 2012 #41
No sponsor, no employer, not a contractor, no reason to be there. TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #22
She was one of eight hundred that were invited to be there. MADem Nov 2012 #33
Yeah, that's total bullshit. I used to live at MacDill, and that program TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #37
It's not hinky at all--it's how base CO's are dealing with the Congressional mandate WRT MWR/MWA MADem Nov 2012 #46
Sorry, I think it's crap. If there aren't enough military and retiree users to TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #49
I have some experience with this sort of situation. MADem Nov 2012 #51
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It cracks me up that the press keeps using the term "socialite" to describe this groupie. PSPS Nov 2012 #24
Does this mean that powergirl Nov 2012 #26
I got to "Socialite Jill Kelley stripped"... and then was disappointed underpants Nov 2012 #28
Inviolability ain't what it used to be..... DeSwiss Nov 2012 #32
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but.but..I thought the "war on Terraaahhh" meant INCREASED security. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #40
They're very open nowadays--they use the whole "circular zone" thing to restrict access. MADem Nov 2012 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #52
Hanscom is, as USAF bases go, pretty shitty when it comes to facilities/services. MADem Nov 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author anobserver2 Nov 2012 #53
Just because the host command isn't subjecting these people to media scrutiny does not make the MADem Nov 2012 #59
Could also be sloppy reporting from an ignorant "reporter". PavePusher Nov 2012 #50
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