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117. And the reason that Israealis are killed is because of Israelis

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:40 PM

Nov 2012

More specifically, because of oppressive Israeli policies and forcible settlement of Gaza.
See how it works? It's not as simple as blaming the Palestinians, no matter how convenient that would be for some people.

Israel can't claim any sort of moral superiority if it knowingly bombs civilian targets, even if some asshole with a rocket launcher has holed up in the basement. You'd think that the dominant military power in the region, backed financially and militarily by the world's super-power, could come up with a better solution than killing children while bombing the shit out of a residential area.

By your logic, if a gunman takes refuge in a school and fires out through the windows, the cops are wholly justified in killing all of the children in order to stop the gunman.

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Israel Broadens Bombing in Gaza to Civilian Sites [View all] Welcome_hubby Nov 2012 OP

The cable channels are not really covering this story that well. They just show a few pictures.. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #1

Amy Goodman interviews Noam Chomsky on Gaza- crunch60 Nov 2012 #3

Genocide? oberliner Nov 2012 #7

Stop U.S., EU support for Israeli genocide crunch60 Nov 2012 #29

There is no Genocide going on in the Gaza Strip glacierbay Nov 2012 #30

You speak with such conviction. Sorry, I trust the views of Chomsky, who has been studying crunch60 Nov 2012 #32

I could care less what that idiot says about Israel glacierbay Nov 2012 #33

And if your wife was Palestinian, what would your position be? Ash_F Nov 2012 #34

I am arguing objectivly glacierbay Nov 2012 #35

For the record... Ash_F Nov 2012 #37

Chomsky is an idiot IMO glacierbay Nov 2012 #43

Then you have a different definition of genocide than the legal one. /nt Ash_F Nov 2012 #47

I lived under apartheid in So. Africa for two years , the similarities are frightening. crunch60 Nov 2012 #53

you linked to an antisemitic website Mosby Nov 2012 #99

Genocide requires eyl Nov 2012 #81

You don't see the correlation? Ash_F Nov 2012 #91

Gaza is a concentration camp RobertEarl Nov 2012 #38

I really don't care what you are glacierbay Nov 2012 #40

Do you believe that the Palestinians likewise have the right to defend themselves? Orrex Nov 2012 #41

If they're attacked, yes glacierbay Nov 2012 #45

I would be interested to hear whether they think they've been attacked Orrex Nov 2012 #50

Simply not true. Israel broke the ceasefire both times. Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #67

Maybe they wouldn't feel the need to defend themselves arikara Nov 2012 #86

I agree with that Ash_F Nov 2012 #42

Look glacierbay Nov 2012 #48

Then at least we have some common ground. Ash_F Nov 2012 #51

'If you were Palestinian living in Israel, you would not be allowed to live with your Jewish wife' King_David Nov 2012 #96

You can do your own research. Ash_F Nov 2012 #98

Well it's bullshit King_David Nov 2012 #101

If it was literally anyone else in this thread who questioned it.. Ash_F Nov 2012 #103

Well what you said was libelous against Israel King_David Nov 2012 #105

Gaza is a modern day concentration camp RobertEarl Nov 2012 #44

That is so much crap glacierbay Nov 2012 #46

Of course they do RobertEarl Nov 2012 #49

Actually there were more attacks against Israel when Gaza was more open oberliner Nov 2012 #54

More open is the keyword RobertEarl Nov 2012 #56

Why are you suprised? fingrinn Nov 2012 #64

Feeling the Jewish love? fingrinn Nov 2012 #63

Jewish love King_David Nov 2012 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author Scootaloo Nov 2012 #88

The Three Stooges strike again! Scootaloo Nov 2012 #88

Abba Eban King_David Nov 2012 #71

So you agree RobertEarl Nov 2012 #73

No I do not agree King_David Nov 2012 #75

Oh RobertEarl Nov 2012 #76

It is against DU rules to compare Jews to Nazis, King_David Nov 2012 #77

Not what I did RobertEarl Nov 2012 #79

You would be funny if it were not so serious , Really?? King_David Nov 2012 #80

Again, enough said. fingrinn Nov 2012 #62

Chomsky didn't claim that. The poster did. Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #66

Enough said. fingrinn Nov 2012 #61

That sounds like it was written by a Nazi, not a Jew. Raksha Nov 2012 #104

I want to modify my previous response to your post. Raksha Nov 2012 #112

+1 King_David Nov 2012 #70

Those talking points are tired and no longer EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #87

Chomsky is to the "Left" what Rush Limbaugh is to the "Right". nt AdHocSolver Nov 2012 #39

Chomsky and Limbaugh names should not be put into the same sentence. crunch60 Nov 2012 #58

Yes. I recall watching Chomsky physically mocking Parkinson's symptoms Crunchy Frog Nov 2012 #92

Here's another brilliant idea. Stop terrorizing Gaza and Hamas will stop rockets like they have done Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #65

Hamas will stop rockets when King_David Nov 2012 #74

Your username's King David, like the King David Hotel? Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #106

Think King David was a hotel? King_David Nov 2012 #107

Genocide? glacierbay Nov 2012 #12

"The genocide that is taking place in Gaza is a unspoken horror. We must stop this assault." EX500rider Nov 2012 #52

genocide ? King_David Nov 2012 #69

I'm so relieved that no acts of terrorism are being committed during this process. Orrex Nov 2012 #2

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #4

That is going way too far unreadierLizard Nov 2012 #5

I do not think the Jewish people are exactly oppressed. Some bigots have negative stereotypes, loudsue Nov 2012 #9

I John2 Nov 2012 #10

Hamas is attacking. Israel must respond. Andy Stanton Nov 2012 #14

I agree. Hamas is to blame for all this. rollin74 Nov 2012 #16

I remember how angry Mexico was when Texans started forcibly settling south of the border Orrex Nov 2012 #17

Hamas hides behind civilians Andy Stanton Nov 2012 #19

There is indeed a double standard here, but it's not what you probably think Orrex Nov 2012 #21

Not carte blanche eyl Nov 2012 #82

So if a member of Hamas is in a city, Israel can bomb the shit out of that city with impunity? Orrex Nov 2012 #94

When has Israel targeted a school bus? former9thward Nov 2012 #109

Overall, how many Israelis have been killed or forcibly relocated by Palestinians? Orrex Nov 2012 #111

The reason any Palestinian children have been killed is because of the Palestinians. former9thward Nov 2012 #116

And the reason that Israealis are killed is because of Israelis Orrex Nov 2012 #117

If a group in Mexico started firing in rockets on San Diego what would the U.S. do? former9thward Nov 2012 #118

Why do people keep using that ridiculous and invalid analogy? Orrex Nov 2012 #119

Your "analogy" is completely devoid of ny similarity to the Gaza-Israel situation. former9thward Nov 2012 #120

I'm sure that you believe that, just like you apparently believe you're rational Orrex Nov 2012 #121

�May your children die, you dogs�: As Gaza burns, Israelis bay for blood in streets of Tel Aviv fingrinn Nov 2012 #68

Please don't make it sound like ALL the Israelis were "baying for blood." Raksha Nov 2012 #113

You're joking of course, right? crunch60 Nov 2012 #31

I've seen DUers (now on Ignore) argue that the deaths of Palestinian coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #60

Thank you. Exactly right. nt JudyM Nov 2012 #18

It's Not a Double Standard Iggy Nov 2012 #20

That's ridiculous Orrex Nov 2012 #22

Hah hahhh! Iggy Nov 2012 #23

Yeah what third party would do that? xtraxritical Nov 2012 #36

You Actually Don't Know? Iggy Nov 2012 #95

I think that applies to both sides actually Sterling Nov 2012 #59

I agree Superbot Nov 2012 #55

Perhaps they've tried. Igel Nov 2012 #26

"assume that the guy involved is powerless and his loss unimportant or he doesn't want to stop it." Ash_F Nov 2012 #27

+100000 glacierbay Nov 2012 #11

And John2 Nov 2012 #13

I'm relieved it was a 6-0 vote, at least. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #15

Half this board seems to cheer whenever Israelis die or attacked? Links to any of this? Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #24

'Most of Israel's neighbors have peace treaties with Israel' King_David Nov 2012 #78

How to you get "most" eyl Nov 2012 #83

Yr right. Two out of four isn't most... Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #84

Frequently what Israel's supporters claim is the exact opposite of the truth cpwm17 Nov 2012 #25

That is such a crock glacierbay Nov 2012 #28

You're not doing a great job of proving him wrong, glacierbay Scootaloo Nov 2012 #93

pretty much. Israel is the bully with the HUGE military and the backing of the USA against tiny boilerbabe Nov 2012 #57

I agree that the "Hitler" billh58 Nov 2012 #110

many years ago i was banned for three days for saying something simliar madrchsod Nov 2012 #6

Wow oberliner Nov 2012 #8

'stunning' that it was only 3 days? King_David Nov 2012 #97

Both oberliner Nov 2012 #102

Deliberate bombing of civilian sites can be considered a war crime fujiyama Nov 2012 #85

Why are we always dragged into the discussion just because of spoken word? Socal31 Nov 2012 #88

Because any Arab nation daring to defend the Palestinians would immediately be polly7 Nov 2012 #108

Harry Fear's Live link in Gaza JesterCS Nov 2012 #100

Yay war crimes. Fearless Nov 2012 #114

Palestinian civilian toll climbs in Gaza dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #115