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In reply to the discussion: Hamas Leader Dares Israel to Invade Amid Gaza Airstrikes [View all]FreeBC
(403 posts)15. Gaza: No Way. Just. Plain. Nope.
From the desk of the War Nerd: http://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/gaza-no-way
In a situation like this, the real winner is likely to be the Gazans. But they will win uglyvery, very ugly, and very slow, with a lot of funerals and horror. Its a good grim proof of the old guerrilla-warfare line: Victory will go to those who can endure the most, not those who can inflict the most. And theres no doubt about who wins that contest. Gaza is a place thats basically been driven insane. Imagine a strip of land about 20 miles long and five miles wide, with the sea on one side and the IDF on the other, with 1.7 million people festering in some of the worlds nastiest tenements, with no entertainment except the dream of getting a little payback on the people keeping you penned up.
Gaza has one of the highest birthrates in the world. Israel has a mid-range birthrate, but the freakish thing about it is that its the West Bank settler-maniacs and the Haredi, the so-called ultra-Orthodox, who dont even serve in the IDF, who have the highest birthrates. Exactly the people Israel and its American supporters dont want to see outbreeding the secular mainstream Israeli Jews.
So Gaza is going to get more and more crowded, more and more angry, more and more willing to take 30 casualties for the chance to inflict just one on the Israelis. Thats about the rate its running now, 30 Arab casualties for every Israeli casualtyand you need to realize, that might be absolutely OK with the people in Gaza.
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A war gamer would say its simple: you use your superior weaponry to kill everyone in Gaza, lance it like a boil. Well, thats not gonna happen. Off the table.
OK, then, you kill the bad guys and try not to kill too many good guys. Nope; there are no good or bad guys in Gaza, just goin-on-two-million people whove been harassed and humiliated and driven clean out of their minds till theyre ready to see their own neighborhood flattened on the off chance they might take a few of you with them.
OK, then, you win them over.
Nope. Just plain nope.
Gaza has one of the highest birthrates in the world. Israel has a mid-range birthrate, but the freakish thing about it is that its the West Bank settler-maniacs and the Haredi, the so-called ultra-Orthodox, who dont even serve in the IDF, who have the highest birthrates. Exactly the people Israel and its American supporters dont want to see outbreeding the secular mainstream Israeli Jews.
So Gaza is going to get more and more crowded, more and more angry, more and more willing to take 30 casualties for the chance to inflict just one on the Israelis. Thats about the rate its running now, 30 Arab casualties for every Israeli casualtyand you need to realize, that might be absolutely OK with the people in Gaza.
...
A war gamer would say its simple: you use your superior weaponry to kill everyone in Gaza, lance it like a boil. Well, thats not gonna happen. Off the table.
OK, then, you kill the bad guys and try not to kill too many good guys. Nope; there are no good or bad guys in Gaza, just goin-on-two-million people whove been harassed and humiliated and driven clean out of their minds till theyre ready to see their own neighborhood flattened on the off chance they might take a few of you with them.
OK, then, you win them over.
Nope. Just plain nope.
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Hamas was "democratically elected" and then proceeded to brutally eliminate the Fatah opposition.
ellisonz
Nov 2012
#11
Of course Meshal wants this. There would be civilian casualties to garner international sympathy,
Freddie Stubbs
Nov 2012
#7
What I'm seeing is that the leaders of both countries sees a certain percentage of their own
Lars39
Nov 2012
#14
last week Israel broke the cease fire by assassinating Ahmed Jabari after a cease fire was in place
azurnoir
Nov 2012
#16
But Hamas did stepback until the extrajudicial assassination but do use years old stuff
azurnoir
Nov 2012
#23
So you agree that Hamas and it's allies have never stopped attacking Israelis?
ellisonz
Nov 2012
#27
How is a Pan-Islamic movement different from a Palestinian nationalist movement?
Recursion
Nov 2012
#32
well I don't know about you but if one keeps abreast of the news one does know
azurnoir
Nov 2012
#22
Have you read this Atlantic article? Nobody can say Israel is the instigator!
riderinthestorm
Nov 2012
#44
I don't know. I think at this point a ground invasion would be better than bombing.
Ash_F
Nov 2012
#38
The man is a butcher and a fool. But only HE and his inner circle should suffer for that.
Ken Burch
Nov 2012
#39