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21. Israel is not trying to "kill enough people in Gaza"

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:58 PM

Nov 2012

That's PR bullshit and a backhanded assertion that Israel is somehow trying to commit genocide. If Israel's goal was genocide why is it that there has been no major fighting in the West Bank in almost a decade since the end of the Second Intifada? I was skeptical that the wall would work in the West Bank, but I think it's pretty clear that is has worked and it has brought peace in the West Bank even with the violence in Gaza, war in Lebanon, and the uprisings in Syria and Egypt. If Hamas will go away, there will be peace, but that will not happen until their supply of weapons is diminished and they are not resupplied by Iran.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/19/15282386-irans-fingerprints-on-hamas-weaponry-but-its-larger-role-in-israel-gaza-crisis-remains-murky?lite

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Hamas Leader Dares Israel to Invade Amid Gaza Airstrikes [View all] ellisonz Nov 2012 OP

I agree with you 100% glacierbay Nov 2012 #1

In short, he's a coward. ellisonz Nov 2012 #2

In short glacierbay Nov 2012 #5

Meshal calls Israel's bluff. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #3

If you think that it is Israel, that will lose this war... ellisonz Nov 2012 #4

There will be two losers FreeBC Nov 2012 #8

The Israeli military if they want can stop this completely... ellisonz Nov 2012 #13

But you have to consider the PR war. FreeBC Nov 2012 #20

Israel is not trying to "kill enough people in Gaza" ellisonz Nov 2012 #21

If he's got the best interests of his people in his mind glacierbay Nov 2012 #6

Hamas was democratically elected by the people of Gaza FreeBC Nov 2012 #9

Yes they were glacierbay Nov 2012 #10

Hamas was "democratically elected" and then proceeded to brutally eliminate the Fatah opposition. ellisonz Nov 2012 #11

Who have not allowed an election of any sort since ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #25

Of course Meshal wants this. There would be civilian casualties to garner international sympathy, Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #7

I suspect that you're right. nt. glacierbay Nov 2012 #12

What I'm seeing is that the leaders of both countries sees a certain percentage of their own Lars39 Nov 2012 #14

'more land for Israel ' ? King_David Nov 2012 #42

So why bulldoze houses that people live in? Lars39 Nov 2012 #45

When was that? King_David Nov 2012 #46

In Gaza? King_David Nov 2012 #47

Gaza: No Way. Just. Plain. Nope. FreeBC Nov 2012 #15

the author of that piece doesn't really say what is a "win" Mosby Nov 2012 #30

last week Israel broke the cease fire by assassinating Ahmed Jabari after a cease fire was in place azurnoir Nov 2012 #16

Except Hamas has never stopped firing rockets into Israel... ellisonz Nov 2012 #18

But Hamas did stepback until the extrajudicial assassination but do use years old stuff azurnoir Nov 2012 #23

So you agree that Hamas and it's allies have never stopped attacking Israelis? ellisonz Nov 2012 #27

I really do not appreciate having my comments reinterpreted for me eom azurnoir Nov 2012 #33

see comment #22 for an answer n/t azurnoir Nov 2012 #34

I think we can agree to disagree. ellisonz Nov 2012 #36

Hamas and Islamic Jihad are not the same thing Recursion Nov 2012 #26

Peas in a pod. ellisonz Nov 2012 #28

And that is why you fail (nt) Recursion Nov 2012 #29

That's the best you have? ellisonz Nov 2012 #31

How is a Pan-Islamic movement different from a Palestinian nationalist movement? Recursion Nov 2012 #32

I know the history of both groups. ellisonz Nov 2012 #35

From John2 Nov 2012 #19

well I don't know about you but if one keeps abreast of the news one does know azurnoir Nov 2012 #22

Have you read this Atlantic article? Nobody can say Israel is the instigator! riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #44

The John2 Nov 2012 #17

so Palestinians are human sheilds simply because they live in Gaza? azurnoir Nov 2012 #24

I wasn't around in 2003... were you? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #40

no but I was lurking in 2004 and 2005 and DU was solidly antiwar azurnoir Nov 2012 #41

Hamas has a better record of keeping ceasefires than Israel does. Puregonzo1188 Nov 2012 #37

I don't know. I think at this point a ground invasion would be better than bombing. Ash_F Nov 2012 #38

The man is a butcher and a fool. But only HE and his inner circle should suffer for that. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #39

Hamas is totaly responsible for the deaths of it's own people center rising Nov 2012 #43