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Igel

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11. The Ikhwan is going to have to choose.
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 01:01 PM
Jan 2012

As will the liberals.

Are values or power more important to them?

In one scenario, the liberals will have to agree to stuff that they find repressive. The Ikhwan will have to agree to stuff they find immoral. It's likely that each group will find their compromises mere stepping stones to getting more power and control and making sure tha everybody does things their way. In other words, compromises aren't rooted in respect but in maneuvering for authoritarian control. This won't provide stability, and the #1 thing that a society in extreme transition needs is a route to stability that doesn't involve more authoritarianism. Few claim they want authoritarianism, most simply delude themselves.

In a second scenario, the Ikhwan will work with the Salafiy. They will then have to decide whether to risk alienating liberals--those who confused 5% with 99% in a public act of utter innumeracy--or being more conservative than they'd otherwise be at first. The Salafiyoun might moderate slightly in details that they can view as mere tradition (a feat for the righteous), but are unlikely to give *too* much. There may be a few points of contention between them, but it's likely that the Salafiy can find a way to include enough Ikhwan to be content, and the Ikhwan will find an easier accommodation.

Still, they've been trained to want power and control, and without a change in mindset it's going to be a rough road. Look at Russia--in 1992 everybody was happy and assumed that Russians would immediately be like "us"--whatever that means. Others said that it would take generations--the first generation would try to continue the way they had been, the second generation would start real change in society, and the third would finally reach some sort of stable conclusion. My Russian teacher was in the latter camp, and when he talked about "mentality" his much brighter students chuckled. Yet the first generation went between anarchic El'tsyn (better for the country, if truth be told, than Putin) then controlling Putin; the second generation, those we now think are finally as enlightened as us, are beginning to protest. They won't get it right, but probably get it better--yet the instability they bring bears a lot of risk. Gen-3 will probably get it right, if the current risk doesn't yield a lot of socio-political regression.

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Final results confirm Islamists top Egypt vote oberliner Jan 2012 #1
Ta dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #2
Thanks for the tip oberliner Jan 2012 #9
I came across that purely by accident a day or so ago. dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #16
I am seriously starting to think that some people maybe don't deserve democracy. TigerToMany Jan 2012 #3
Whilst it looks a bit dramatic maybe allow for the fact dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #4
Democracy has a way of leading to progress. The US was hardly a bastion of freedom... joshcryer Jan 2012 #25
Freedom! Yay! yay freedom. yay Zax2me Jan 2012 #5
How very sad and awful this is for the people of Egypt. Zorra Jan 2012 #6
Same things going to happen here if kid's can't go to college. xtraxritical Jan 2012 #7
It's blowback. Ban Christians from politics here. Wait 50 years. joshcryer Jan 2012 #26
Best spin possible.... Tom Rinaldo Jan 2012 #8
The Ikhwan is going to have to choose. Igel Jan 2012 #11
I'm not an expert on Egypt's culture or politics. cheapdate Jan 2012 #18
Agree on the possibility of a relatively centrist/moderate coalition. pinto Jan 2012 #19
Democracy DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #10
Canceling my vacation to Egypt. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #12
I wouldn't have thought there would be any adverse issues there. dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #13
In some ways this is very understandable Smilo Jan 2012 #14
The GOPers will be all over this. DCBob Jan 2012 #15
He has no responsibility? David__77 Jan 2012 #23
It will 'interesting' to see how the 'West' reacts to this azurnoir Jan 2012 #17
The USA seems fully willing to work with them muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #20
yes but in the US while at present the POTUS sets foreign policy azurnoir Jan 2012 #21
They won't cut Egypt off because of Israel. joshcryer Jan 2012 #27
where did pull that from? azurnoir Jan 2012 #33
I worry most about womens, minority and GLBT rights now. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #22
Frightening TigerToMany Jan 2012 #24
I want what you are smoking!!! rayofreason Jan 2012 #29
And the Arab Spring gives way to a cold, hard winter KamaAina Jan 2012 #28
The Islamists hijacked the movement. AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #31
What nonsense! rayofreason Jan 2012 #34
I don't doubt there's a lot of assholes out there. But the huge majority? C'mon, man. AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #36
1/2 empty or 1/2 full rayofreason Jan 2012 #38
There has been a quite a bit of evidence of serious fraud in these elections: AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #30
Yep. And I have to check this but it seems to me that some groups on the left EFerrari Jan 2012 #35
While a well-meaning gesture..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #37
HRW urged the West to recognize that Islamists are the “majority preference,” while keeping pressure pampango Jan 2012 #32
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