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In reply to the discussion: Israel Is A Terrorist State: Turkey PM [View all]ellisonz
(27,776 posts)97. I simply noted that you were coming close to territory...
...as you yourself noted below, that could be read as advocating the destruction of the State of Israel:
To be clear, I'm not advocating the destruction of the Israeli State. That is their home now. Its too late for any of that kind of horrible nonsense and that kind of horrible nonsense has happened to the Jewish People far too many times. We're going to all have to find a way through this by means of compromise and hopefully peace in time.
Lets argue to your point for a moment. First of all, its a straw-man argument. The state was created and sanctioned by Churchill, Truman and the UN. If the UN really worked as well as they had intended it to, people in the arab world wouldn't have gotten so fired up about it. In truth, and I think we all know this, the 1948 war was a convenient excuse for the dictatorships of the region to try to grab some land. In truth, I'll wager, even if the Palestinians had kept their land, the Egyptians or the Syrians might have made a bid for it. IN TRUTH, Truman had in mind an American client state in the mid-east to counteract the Soviet overtures to Egypt, Jordan and Syria in an effort to stem a possible future Soviet grab of the oil fields. I never said anything about the Israeli government. Did I? You assumed it. I don't blame Israel for squat. I blame the gd UN and that mutton-headed Truman for not having the foresight to see this coming. I blame the British for being so blatantly obtuse when it came to colonial affairs that they managed to also botch (along with the French) the de-colonialization of Africa and India/Pakistan, which has caused tribal and now intercontinental warfare in many countries (not just Israel and Palestine) for the past 60 years.
Many historians would argue that what happened in the UN was not terribly influential in the outcome of the war of 1948 where the IDF and its forerunners did not receive any substantial international assistance. Israel did not need permission from Churchill, Truman and the UN to become a state, Israel became a state as a result of a military outcome i.e. the defeat of the Arab Armies. Mind you the British left and the UN partition never became a reality because it was superseded by the military conflict, which Israel won decisively against substantial odds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Armistice_Agreements
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How foolish, you start with preconditions, then end with "sit down w/o pre-conditions".
Lionessa
Nov 2012
#10
Well sorry, I didn't realize you had a different language than the rest of us.
Lionessa
Nov 2012
#20
"That perhaps there might have been other options besides the resettlement of Palestinians?"
ellisonz
Nov 2012
#73
By posting the TOS, are you claiming it's hate speech to say the Palestinians were expelled?
Violet_Crumble
Nov 2012
#112
I'm saying it's hate speech to advocate that Israel should have never existed...
ellisonz
Nov 2012
#116
You're an anti-Arab racist. Your unwilling to acknowledge that Palestine is being bombing says
Puregonzo1188
Nov 2012
#82
Maybe the USA should stop giving Apartheid Israel free Money, Weapons and Intel
PerceptionManagement
Nov 2012
#61
Erdogan would not have made that statement if only Israel had apologized for...
Poll_Blind
Nov 2012
#9
They are a different matter, but they should be entitled to their own homeland as well.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Nov 2012
#58
Nobody powerful in that part of the world would want freedom for the Kurdish people.
Selatius
Nov 2012
#120
That kind of statement coming from him is the worst kind of hypocrisy
ProgressiveProfessor
Nov 2012
#13
Meh, you bring up something that happened 100 years ago because you have no argument now.
Poll_Blind
Nov 2012
#16
Sure, sure. And the Native Americans are still getting a bum deal from the Federal Govt.
Poll_Blind
Nov 2012
#26
The topic is the Turkish PM's statement...which I have pointed out is quite hypociritcal
ProgressiveProfessor
Nov 2012
#80