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In reply to the discussion: Hamas Leader Dares Israel to Invade Amid Gaza Airstrikes [View all]riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)44. Have you read this Atlantic article? Nobody can say Israel is the instigator!
Recent events in Israel and the Gaza Strip have been unusual only in scope. Violence and fear of violence is a near-daily reality for the residents of Gaza and Israel's southern communities. There's a constant back and forth, and on both sides, there's always something or someone to avenge.
For instance, some Palestinian sources date the start of this latest round of violence back to November 4, when Reuters reported the death of "an unarmed, mentally unfit man" who strayed too near the border fence, did not respond to reported Israeli warnings, and was then shot. Palestinian medics report that Israeli security personnel prevented them from attending to the man for a couple of hours, and say that he likely died as a result.
But it's genuinely impossible to date today's hostilities conclusively to one incident or another; even the "two-week lull" that some outlets have said preceded Nov. 8 (when the timeline below begins) was, according to Reuters "a period of increased tensions at the Israel-Gaza frontier, with militants often firing rockets at Israel and Israel launching aerial raids targeting Palestinian gunmen."
According to Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as of November 13, Palestinian militants had fired 797 rockets into Israel in the course of 2012 , and according to the Israeli human rights organization Btselem, between January 2009 (the conclusion of the last all-out Gaza war) and September of this year, 25 Israelis were killed by Palestinians, and 314 Palestinians were killed by Israeli security forces, with six more being killed by Israeli civilians.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/11/who-started-the-israel-gaza-conflict/265374/#
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Hamas was "democratically elected" and then proceeded to brutally eliminate the Fatah opposition.
ellisonz
Nov 2012
#11
Of course Meshal wants this. There would be civilian casualties to garner international sympathy,
Freddie Stubbs
Nov 2012
#7
What I'm seeing is that the leaders of both countries sees a certain percentage of their own
Lars39
Nov 2012
#14
last week Israel broke the cease fire by assassinating Ahmed Jabari after a cease fire was in place
azurnoir
Nov 2012
#16
But Hamas did stepback until the extrajudicial assassination but do use years old stuff
azurnoir
Nov 2012
#23
So you agree that Hamas and it's allies have never stopped attacking Israelis?
ellisonz
Nov 2012
#27
How is a Pan-Islamic movement different from a Palestinian nationalist movement?
Recursion
Nov 2012
#32
well I don't know about you but if one keeps abreast of the news one does know
azurnoir
Nov 2012
#22
Have you read this Atlantic article? Nobody can say Israel is the instigator!
riderinthestorm
Nov 2012
#44
I don't know. I think at this point a ground invasion would be better than bombing.
Ash_F
Nov 2012
#38
The man is a butcher and a fool. But only HE and his inner circle should suffer for that.
Ken Burch
Nov 2012
#39