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Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
262. I don't understand, the hospitals aren't allowed to forbid firearms?
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 04:41 PM
Jan 2012

In Missouri, when the legislature passed a CCW law(after it failed in referendum) signs were posted all over the place saying "No firearms permitted", this included not just government buildings, but gas stations, hospitals, banks, grocery stores, department stores, etc.

Pertinent section of Missouri Law:

571.107. 1. A concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state or political subdivision of another state shall authorize the person in whose name the permit or endorsement is issued to carry concealed firearms on or about his or her person or vehicle throughout the state. No driver's license or nondriver's license containing a concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state or political subdivision of another state shall authorize any person to carry concealed firearms into:

(1) Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol office or station without the consent of the chief law enforcement officer in charge of that office or station. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of the office or station shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

(2) Within twenty-five feet of any polling place on any election day. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of the polling place shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

(3) The facility of any adult or juvenile detention or correctional institution, prison or jail. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of any adult, juvenile detention, or correctional institution, prison or jail shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

(4) Any courthouse solely occupied by the circuit, appellate or supreme court, or any courtrooms, administrative offices, libraries or other rooms of any such court whether or not such court solely occupies the building in question. This subdivision shall also include, but not be limited to, any juvenile, family, drug, or other court offices, any room or office wherein any of the courts or offices listed in this subdivision are temporarily conducting any business within the jurisdiction of such courts or offices, and such other locations in such manner as may be specified by supreme court rule pursuant to subdivision (6) of this subsection. Nothing in this subdivision shall preclude those persons listed in subdivision (1) of subsection 2 of section 571.030 while within their jurisdiction and on duty, those persons listed in subdivisions (2), (4), and (10) of subsection 2 of section 571.030, or such other persons who serve in a law enforcement capacity for a court as may be specified by supreme court rule pursuant to subdivision (6) of this subsection from carrying a concealed firearm within any of the areas described in this subdivision. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of any of the areas listed in this subdivision shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

(5) Any meeting of the governing body of a unit of local government; or any meeting of the general assembly or a committee of the general assembly, except that nothing in this subdivision shall preclude a member of the body holding a valid concealed carry endorsement from carrying a concealed firearm at a meeting of the body which he or she is a member. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises. Nothing in this subdivision shall preclude a member of the general assembly, a full-time employee of the general assembly employed under section 17, article III, Constitution of Missouri, legislative employees of the general assembly as determined under section 21.155, or statewide elected officials and their employees, holding a valid concealed carry endorsement, from carrying a concealed firearm in the state capitol building or at a meeting whether of the full body of a house of the general assembly or a committee thereof, that is held in the state capitol building;

(6) The general assembly, supreme court, county or municipality may by rule, administrative regulation, or ordinance prohibit or limit the carrying of concealed firearms by endorsement holders in that portion of a building owned, leased or controlled by that unit of government. Any portion of a building in which the carrying of concealed firearms is prohibited or limited shall be clearly identified by signs posted at the entrance to the restricted area. The statute, rule or ordinance shall exempt any building used for public housing by private persons, highways or rest areas, firing ranges, and private dwellings owned, leased, or controlled by that unit of government from any restriction on the carrying or possession of a firearm. The statute, rule or ordinance shall not specify any criminal penalty for its violation but may specify that persons violating the statute, rule or ordinance may be denied entrance to the building, ordered to leave the building and if employees of the unit of government, be subjected to disciplinary measures for violation of the provisions of the statute, rule or ordinance. The provisions of this subdivision shall not apply to any other unit of government;

(7) Any establishment licensed to dispense intoxicating liquor for consumption on the premises, which portion is primarily devoted to that purpose, without the consent of the owner or manager. The provisions of this subdivision shall not apply to the licensee of said establishment. The provisions of this subdivision shall not apply to any bona fide restaurant open to the general public having dining facilities for not less than fifty persons and that receives at least fifty-one percent of its gross annual income from the dining facilities by the sale of food. This subdivision does not prohibit the possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of the establishment and shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises. Nothing in this subdivision authorizes any individual who has been issued a concealed carry endorsement to possess any firearm while intoxicated;

(8) Any area of an airport to which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of the airport shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

(9) Any place where the carrying of a firearm is prohibited by federal law;

(10) Any higher education institution or elementary or secondary school facility without the consent of the governing body of the higher education institution or a school official or the district school board. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of any higher education institution or elementary or secondary school facility shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

(11) Any portion of a building used as a child care facility without the consent of the manager. Nothing in this subdivision shall prevent the operator of a child care facility in a family home from owning or possessing a firearm or a driver's license or nondriver's license containing a concealed carry endorsement;

(12) Any riverboat gambling operation accessible by the public without the consent of the owner or manager pursuant to rules promulgated by the gaming commission. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of a riverboat gambling operation shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

(13) Any gated area of an amusement park. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of the amusement park shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

(14) Any church or other place of religious worship without the consent of the minister or person or persons representing the religious organization that exercises control over the place of religious worship. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

(15) Any private property whose owner has posted the premises as being off-limits to concealed firearms by means of one or more signs displayed in a conspicuous place of a minimum size of eleven inches by fourteen inches with the writing thereon in letters of not less than one inch. The owner, business or commercial lessee, manager of a private business enterprise, or any other organization, entity, or person may prohibit persons holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying concealed firearms on the premises and may prohibit employees, not authorized by the employer, holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying concealed firearms on the property of the employer. If the building or the premises are open to the public, the employer of the business enterprise shall post signs on or about the premises if carrying a concealed firearm is prohibited. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises. An employer may prohibit employees or other persons holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying a concealed firearm in vehicles owned by the employer;

(16) Any sports arena or stadium with a seating capacity of five thousand or more. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;

(17) Any hospital accessible by the public. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of a hospital shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises.

2. Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) of subsection 1 of this section by any individual who holds a concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If such person refuses to leave the premises and a peace officer is summoned, such person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed one hundred dollars for the first offense. If a second citation for a similar violation occurs within a six-month period, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed two hundred dollars and his or her endorsement to carry concealed firearms shall be suspended for a period of one year. If a third citation for a similar violation is issued within one year of the first citation, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed five hundred dollars and shall have his or her concealed carry endorsement revoked and such person shall not be eligible for a concealed carry endorsement for a period of three years. Upon conviction of charges arising from a citation issued pursuant to this subsection, the court shall notify the sheriff of the county which issued the certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement and the department of revenue. The sheriff shall suspend or revoke the certificate of qualification for a concealed carry endorsement and the department of revenue shall issue a notice of such suspension or revocation of the concealed carry endorsement and take action to remove the concealed carry endorsement from the individual's driving record. The director of revenue shall notify the licensee that he or she must apply for a new license pursuant to chapter 302 which does not contain such endorsement. A concealed carry endorsement suspension pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall be reinstated at the time of the renewal of his or her driver's license. The notice issued by the department of revenue shall be mailed to the last known address shown on the individual's driving record. The notice is deemed received three days after mailing.

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In answer to your question. jonthebru Jan 2012 #1
Should this even be a question? Good lord.... likesmountains 52 Jan 2012 #2
EXACTLY!!! elleng Jan 2012 #158
I'm with Linda Quick... Suich Jan 2012 #3
ALZ patient in possession...omg.. prismpalette Jan 2012 #91
Quick, call the NRA! They have a solution for this head shot wound! CTyankee Jan 2012 #303
Sure - as long as they can somehow guarantee one will never be needed there. dmallind Jan 2012 #4
Right, because you just never know... primavera Jan 2012 #279
Yep that's right dmallind Jan 2012 #281
Kind of makes you wish... primavera Jan 2012 #283
Yep - but how do you prevent wackos from getting them dmallind Jan 2012 #285
Strawman primavera Jan 2012 #286
A few things.... PavePusher Jan 2012 #287
... and a few responses primavera Jan 2012 #288
...and counter-response. 8>) PavePusher Jan 2012 #289
Agree to disagree primavera Jan 2012 #291
That straw man has a strange ability to shoot at people it seems dmallind Jan 2012 #292
It is impossible to keep guns entirely out of the hands of wackos primavera Jan 2012 #294
Another Strawman: PavePusher Jan 2012 #295
Ah yes, name calling primavera Jan 2012 #296
Name calling? Where? I identified your accusation for what it is: A Strawman. No name calling. PavePusher Jan 2012 #297
I see primavera Jan 2012 #298
Now you've termed disagreement and debate as "spoiling for a fight"? PavePusher Jan 2012 #299
They have anesthesia now Kolesar Jan 2012 #280
Only if it applies to cops and they have metal detectors.. Monty22001 Jan 2012 #5
I agree. Lasher Jan 2012 #29
A CCW permit holder should be able to carry a gun anywhere a cop can. AlbertCat Jan 2012 #71
Are CCW permit holders less trustworthy than cops? Lasher Jan 2012 #76
Actually CCW permit holders are slightly more likely than police to commit crimes. boppers Jan 2012 #210
I went to the website you linked but I was unable to find anything that supports your assertion. Lasher Jan 2012 #213
Yeah, I was just amused by the data. It was slim (CCW vs. LEO), but couldn't find it again. boppers Jan 2012 #219
Here's a graphical representation.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #224
I can't argue with that, Boppers, some CCW permit holders do commit crimes. Lasher Jan 2012 #227
Perhaps you should ask some cops how much training they actually get. Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #80
Oh, yes. NRA talking point #23490: The average CCW holder has MUCH more proficiency with a firearm! Missy Vixen Jan 2012 #214
Actually, a CCW permit holder helped restrain Loughner. Lasher Jan 2012 #222
So, Zamudo's gun was pointless. boppers Jan 2012 #223
OK, for the sake of argument I'll agree for a moment that his gun was pointless. Lasher Jan 2012 #228
His reaction was false heroism. boppers Jan 2012 #244
All of our military service men and women are armed with weapons. Lasher Jan 2012 #245
Check their firing rate. boppers Jan 2012 #246
And neither does it make a person a coward, as you clearly claimed. Lasher Jan 2012 #247
This message was self-deleted by its author boppers Jan 2012 #248
Well, that wasn't my claim. boppers Jan 2012 #251
Yes, it certainly was your claim. Lasher Jan 2012 #253
...and: boppers Jan 2012 #258
That is some interesting kinda 'logic' right there. Lasher Jan 2012 #259
they are also "licensed" or other wise permitted by the government to carry weapons. CTyankee Jan 2012 #302
Yes, they have permission to carry firearms, just like Joe Zamudio does. Lasher Jan 2012 #304
Do police have some mythical skill with guns that the common Citizen does not? PavePusher Jan 2012 #93
"Or do you think cops are just handed a uniform after the gun training and let on the street? " atreides1 Jan 2012 #128
I Work RobinA Jan 2012 #105
Are there metal detectors? Lasher Jan 2012 #115
Well, that is wonderful. Because no bad guy would ever ignore that rule. Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #127
me too irisblue Jan 2012 #282
Are you a CCW permit holder? Do you carry your gun to hospitals, churches, preschools, etc? rbixby Jan 2012 #116
Yes, I am a CCW permit holder. Lasher Jan 2012 #118
And it would be necessary and safe to bring one to say, a preschool? rbixby Jan 2012 #123
A preschool would be safer with me there with my gun than it would be otherwise. Lasher Jan 2012 #132
Let me help you here... Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #144
Wikipedia's value cannot be overstated. Lasher Jan 2012 #149
Okay, fine...here's what Oxford says Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #154
I imagine we often trivialize or minimize those sources... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #231
If not carried with criminal intent, nothing particularly unsafe about it. PavePusher Jan 2012 #178
I just don't see the need rbixby Jan 2012 #202
Simply put, you are projecting your assumed impulse control issues on others... PavePusher Jan 2012 #203
I agree that you're well within your rights rbixby Jan 2012 #204
I have no need to kill anyone. I have the need to defend myself. PavePusher Jan 2012 #205
My favorite example Missy Vixen Jan 2012 #215
Not having any real substantial position on the overall issue, I will add that... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #232
If you're refering to the Hemenway "study", it's been pretty thoroughly demolished via peer review. PavePusher Jan 2012 #275
It's tragedy too late when it happens Politicalboi Jan 2012 #6
Will the converse be true as well? PavePusher Jan 2012 #206
Is this a trick question? yellerpup Jan 2012 #7
That's just crazy talk. onehandle Jan 2012 #8
You consider everyone in the hospital Monty22001 Jan 2012 #9
Combining "common sense" and "logic" with "guns" and "Florida" will always get you truthisfreedom Jan 2012 #10
LOL! You got that right! nt zanana1 Jan 2012 #40
Combining "common sense" and "logic" with "guns" and "Florida" will always get you AlbertCat Jan 2012 #66
Regional bigotry sure is popular on D.U. PavePusher Jan 2012 #94
Uh.... Doc Holliday Jan 2012 #278
"Maybe they should HAND OUT guns as you enter the hospital to make sure everyone is safe!" KansDem Jan 2012 #100
Thanks for digging this up! Sera_Bellum Jan 2012 #125
Heartbreaking when you remember Hugh O'Connor died by self-inflicted gun shot tpsbmam Jan 2012 #129
You open another can of worms. Lasher Jan 2012 #136
I've stopped MANY people from committing suicide who later were very happy I did..... tpsbmam Jan 2012 #146
+1 harun Jan 2012 #73
reccomend madrchsod Jan 2012 #81
Or lower rates of gun violence in the case of Florida. hack89 Jan 2012 #113
I think a privately-owned institution of any sort ought to be able to ban petronius Jan 2012 #11
Most conservatives resent the federal gov't. telling them what to do. zanana1 Jan 2012 #41
What about publicly owned hospitals ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2012 #53
In general, I oppose the relevant government banning an otherwise legal activity petronius Jan 2012 #101
No, guns shouldnt be banned cstanleytech Jan 2012 #12
Don't forget patients having MRI's Lost-in-FL Jan 2012 #13
They can have the Glock 7 Monty22001 Jan 2012 #15
Only if they plan to take over the airport and use the hospital to override the tower Kennah Jan 2012 #20
Yes but do they have the ability to land ponys from the hospital? cstanleytech Jan 2012 #21
Glad someone got the joke.. Monty22001 Jan 2012 #38
Of course there's no metal in it. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #32
In case some person unfamiliar with fireams reads your post... spin Jan 2012 #86
You wouldn't be... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #179
I like facts better than fantasy... spin Jan 2012 #187
Well then... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #194
In Florida in order to legally carry a firearm in a hospital you would have to have... spin Jan 2012 #14
Those are the "official" laws. zanana1 Jan 2012 #42
There you go, injecting troublesome FACTS into a discussion about guns. baldguy Jan 2012 #45
That "fact" was already conceded by the previous poster joeglow3 Jan 2012 #117
Do you have some statistics from the FBI or DOJ Lurks Often Jan 2012 #49
Is there any other kind of law? Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #54
And they matter and are enforced. ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2012 #55
Cite, please. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #60
Very true. Criminals do break the law all the time... spin Jan 2012 #82
What makes you think that someone who would flout the law and carry without a permit.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #85
You seem to allude to "unofficial" laws. PavePusher Jan 2012 #95
Since you are talking about criminals, why do you think more laws will stop criminals? nt hack89 Jan 2012 #114
re: <Those are the "official" laws.> discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #182
What could possibly go wrong? grantcart Jan 2012 #16
Were guns allowed there? Monty22001 Jan 2012 #17
Compliance on any desired behavior increases when codified into law. mbperrin Jan 2012 #19
So.. Monty22001 Jan 2012 #23
Let's just burn the colleges down, then. mbperrin Jan 2012 #140
So we need more rules Monty22001 Jan 2012 #151
You're talking correlation, not causation. mbperrin Jan 2012 #159
And what remedy do you propose for those law-abiding people.... PavePusher Jan 2012 #61
Thought you didn't like hyperbole? mbperrin Jan 2012 #141
Hyperbole on my part? No, fact. PavePusher Jan 2012 #155
Virginia Tech was not disarmed. Police had lots of guns. mbperrin Jan 2012 #160
Those trapped students waiting to die were disarmed. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #163
Nice defelction-fail. Try... again. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #168
Nice non-response. No need to try anything at all. mbperrin Jan 2012 #188
I'm not the one who turned to irrelevencies.... speaking of "no interest in an actual discussion"... PavePusher Jan 2012 #197
Well that certainly explains why nobody smokes pot in this law-abiding nation. Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #79
Usage would increase with legalization. Yes? mbperrin Jan 2012 #143
I don't know, my Magic Eight Ball got broken years ago. Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #145
Well, murder didn't stop, and not everybody got murdered. boppers Jan 2012 #211
No and he wasn't allowed to be there but he he easily got access to a gun and took it where grantcart Jan 2012 #26
It doesn't, and nobody suggested that it does. You introduced this murderer petronius Jan 2012 #30
I simply put it in because somebody up thread had indicated that there were no real instances of grantcart Jan 2012 #104
Trying to prevent it is what baffles me. If you know how to keep thugs with mayhem in mind from Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #147
Well think about it.. Monty22001 Jan 2012 #48
What defensive measures do you propose to insure the safety of those you would disarm? PavePusher Jan 2012 #62
None grantcart Jan 2012 #106
No-one has claimed they are "necessary". PavePusher Jan 2012 #111
Fascinating that you want to increase the pool of targets for criminals. PavePusher Jan 2012 #199
If only hospitals had knives of some kind, or maybe some sedatives, or restraints.... boppers Jan 2012 #212
If someone is trying to stab or shoot me, in a hospital.... PavePusher Jan 2012 #225
How many gunshot wounds do you have? boppers Jan 2012 #243
Relevence? n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #249
The relevance is how much you have spent on Tiger repellent. boppers Jan 2012 #250
Defaulting to freedom of choice is not "subjecting" anyone to anything. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #169
Don't worry, Monty. zanana1 Jan 2012 #43
It's likely it was already illegal for this person to do what he did. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #56
And a law would have stopped this crime? Really? nt hack89 Jan 2012 #108
FFS, yes. My second choice is to make it mandatory for every man, woman, child, patient, cleric, doc mbperrin Jan 2012 #18
Kennesaw, Georgia illegal to not own a gun. E6-B Jan 2012 #28
They have no problems. AlbertCat Jan 2012 #67
So, cite the "problems". We'll wait.... n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #170
So, nothing, eh? Figures... n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #226
Not really accurate. According to this, they're safer than 35% of cities. That means mbperrin Jan 2012 #139
Good evening, friend. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #185
That's not what it means, and that's not what it says. mbperrin Jan 2012 #189
In reply discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #193
See post 28 at the top of this thread. The stance you're defending is that Kennesaw has NO problems. mbperrin Jan 2012 #195
Regardless... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #200
Oooooo, hyperbole. That's effective.... when you're nine years old. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #63
Just curious: Why is the OP not in Guns Group? nt SteveW Jan 2012 #264
Hospitals are dangerous places, just google 'rape hospital'. E6-B Jan 2012 #22
Yeah, hospitals are dangerous! baldguy Jan 2012 #46
My wife is a ICU/ER and sometimes charge Nurse, virginia mountainman Jan 2012 #24
Doesn't mean guns would have stopped those incidents... ellisonz Jan 2012 #35
But it does provide options to the victims ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2012 #57
Of course not. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #58
If quakerboy Jan 2012 #25
Too bad this isn't Wisconsin. I think every health care facility AllyCat Jan 2012 #27
Yes. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #31
No. LAGC Jan 2012 #33
I don't see how allowing... ellisonz Jan 2012 #34
Sorry, I didn't mean to reply to your post. LAGC Jan 2012 #36
"with secured gates and armed guards" ellisonz Jan 2012 #37
Where are these secured-entry hospitals with guards? I have never seen one. Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #78
Nor have I and I have worked at 2 different hospitals. REACTIVATED IN CT Jan 2012 #87
So the solution is to improve security... ellisonz Jan 2012 #121
Still waiting to learn where those well-guarded hospitals are. Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #148
They're not forts... ellisonz Jan 2012 #150
So the main entrance is the only entrance? You still have failed to identify even one of those Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #152
I am an ER Nurse at a level 1 trauma center Heddi Jan 2012 #165
Not the case with all hospitals. PavePusher Jan 2012 #172
Where is it? Not that I disbelieve you, I just like to have correct information. Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #191
State Patrol.. doesn't your state have State Patrol officeres? Heddi Jan 2012 #196
Thank you for commenting. ellisonz Jan 2012 #209
No shit, me either. X_Digger Jan 2012 #88
So you want "security theater" in hospitals? n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #153
Please point out where I said something that a rational person could interpret that way, eh? X_Digger Jan 2012 #156
Easy with a search engine: ellisonz Jan 2012 #157
I notice you didn't quote anything about hospitals. X_Digger Jan 2012 #166
Wow. ellisonz Jan 2012 #171
"...the likely outcome is going to be shootings." PavePusher Jan 2012 #174
Do you think they do studies on this exact question? ellisonz Jan 2012 #176
Crime stats are freely available. Go to the light. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #177
On comparitive policies on gun possession and relation to shooting incidents in hospitals? ellisonz Jan 2012 #180
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #192
Neither. X_Digger Jan 2012 #183
They don't allow them in the ER here at Huntsville Hospital, because of GANGS. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #59
Exactly. ellisonz Jan 2012 #120
Note that this is only for the ER. n/t Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #142
guns should only be allowed in hospitals. Tunkamerica Jan 2012 #39
Yes, and also in nursery schools and on rollercoasters... Rhiannon12866 Jan 2012 #44
Is there any evidence that legally owned firearms are a problem in hospitals? Flatulo Jan 2012 #47
How dare you bring that kind of question up!! SteveW Jan 2012 #265
Yes FunkyLeprechaun Jan 2012 #50
To make a proper point.. Monty22001 Jan 2012 #51
the doctor being shot was done by someone that was legally carrying. AlbertCat Jan 2012 #68
Wow you missed the point Monty22001 Jan 2012 #74
Holy shit. That flew a mile over your head. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #119
Yes jpak Jan 2012 #52
Yes of course. Who needs a needle when you've got a gun. Death with Dignity. denem Jan 2012 #64
"panders to the anti-gun political agenda"... No, it's much better we... TreasonousBastard Jan 2012 #65
TB, how did this post last so long in this forum, yet didn't get in "Guns?" nt SteveW Jan 2012 #266
If one thinks they need a gun with them at all times even in a hospital abelenkpe Jan 2012 #69
Surely you can provide some guarantee of security in exchange for disarming the public.... amIrite? PavePusher Jan 2012 #97
Once again I am deeply embarrased by what my home state is doing. d_legendary1 Jan 2012 #70
And the problem with that would be.... ? n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #98
What better place Turbineguy Jan 2012 #72
Why? What problem would it solve? What would it prevent? cleanhippie Jan 2012 #75
Of course...no bad guy would ever think of violating a ban. Gun-free zones are 100% safe. Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #77
Like a sign ever stopped anyone who might do harm? X_Digger Jan 2012 #83
the hospitals I know use weapons detection and security checks marions ghost Jan 2012 #161
None in any hospital in Dallas/Houston (that I've been to).. X_Digger Jan 2012 #167
of course (as in Duh) marions ghost Jan 2012 #84
So if a bad guy decides to ignore the gun ban and comes in armed, your preference is that NOBODY Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #89
Actually, under the same pesly convention I alluded nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #92
ROTFLMAO...if we "decent" into a civil war, guns in hospitals will be the least of our worries. Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #110
My preference is that he doen't get in in the first place marions ghost Jan 2012 #162
Well, just have them put up a sign. That always works. Wistful Vista Jan 2012 #190
this is a no brainer nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #90
Err, please detail how the Geneva Convention applies to legally armed civilians.... PavePusher Jan 2012 #99
The Geneva Convention does not allow people nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #103
Wrong! hack89 Jan 2012 #107
Cite, please. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #112
Take your time, we'll wait. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #181
re: "...Geneva Convention..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #186
Still... waiting.... <YAWN>....... n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #198
After 46 hours with no evidentiary support, I'm assuming you don't have any. PavePusher Jan 2012 #207
Well... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #229
I'm leaning towards "counter-credible" myself... ;>) n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #233
You'd better check... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #234
She may not have seen your post - she has me on ignore hack89 Jan 2012 #239
Her loss. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #242
HA! BTW, why is this OP not in Guns Group? It's been here 4 days. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #267
I'm assuming it has something to do with who posted it. PavePusher Jan 2012 #272
Watch out! You'll get alerted! And hidden!!... SteveW Jan 2012 #274
No freakin' way! gratuitous Jan 2012 #96
How would that do any good? Taverner Jan 2012 #102
A meaningless, feel good law without guards and metal detectors to enforce it. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #109
From your comments, I feel as if you'd be for it once the funds are allocated. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #135
No - I don't support such laws. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #138
It should be illegal in hospitals, but legal in insurance companies yurbud Jan 2012 #122
YES!!!! Sancho Jan 2012 #124
I would have to disagree- people need to be armed in hospitals Dragonbreathp9d Jan 2012 #126
I missed your post and apologize for No. 133. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #134
Having worked in a few hospitals, incl. inner-city Chicago, I vote an unequivocal YES! nt tpsbmam Jan 2012 #130
No way. Hospitals are the best place for a shooting. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #131
Yep, the real "fixer uppers!" What could be better? CTyankee Jan 2012 #301
Do the zombie outbreaks ever start anywhere else? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #133
Ha! Great minds think alike Dragonbreathp9d Jan 2012 #137
kick Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #164
HELL YES! burrowowl Jan 2012 #173
Ban them in hospitals? Hell Yes. BigDemVoter Jan 2012 #175
Hospitals seem like a perfectly reasonable place to carry guns Renew Deal Jan 2012 #184
Of course minavasht Jan 2012 #201
If guns are not permitted, hospital authorities can take them away from people at the doors. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #220
Because this thread is still going... ellisonz Jan 2012 #208
OK, I'll play. Lasher Jan 2012 #230
This is the funny thing about anti-gun control propaganda... ellisonz Jan 2012 #235
I think the gun control propaganda makes less sense. Lasher Jan 2012 #236
Not really the forum to do it... ellisonz Jan 2012 #237
No, you posted crap from a major Florida newspaper. Lasher Jan 2012 #238
Take it up with the Miami Herald... ellisonz Jan 2012 #240
Cop out. Lasher Jan 2012 #241
YUP! NAILED! fascisthunter Jan 2012 #255
No--if somebody is legally able to carry a gun why shouldn't that extend to hospitals TheCruces Jan 2012 #216
Temporary insanity caused by depression at the loss or illness of a loved one JDPriestly Jan 2012 #218
Temporary insanity can happen anywhere TheCruces Jan 2012 #252
At the very least, hospitals and courts should be gun-free. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #271
Courts are gun-free here TheCruces Jan 2012 #273
Yes. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #217
I know right. Herlong Jan 2012 #221
yes as well as just about everywhere else.... bowens43 Jan 2012 #254
Um... YES! fascisthunter Jan 2012 #256
Yes, absolutely and without question Politicub Jan 2012 #257
Because they all have perfect security and no-one will ever need to defend themselves in one? n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #260
Nothing is perfect in an imperfect world Politicub Jan 2012 #261
"<My> Mad Max view of things"? Where do you get that bit of hyperbole from? PavePusher Jan 2012 #263
I don't understand, the hospitals aren't allowed to forbid firearms? Humanist_Activist Jan 2012 #262
Right now, hospitals can, if they choose (some do, some don't.) X_Digger Jan 2012 #270
Yes underpants Jan 2012 #268
A simple answer to a dumb question Mosaic Jan 2012 #269
Yes. supernova Jan 2012 #276
guns in hospital full auto guns Jan 2012 #277
This "ban" would only work against folks who follow the law w4rma Jan 2012 #284
Of course! And what better place to have a gun incident but in a place that handles such things CTyankee Jan 2012 #300
Of course. Zoeisright Jan 2012 #290
DR Found in Yonkers Jan 2012 #293
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