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oberliner

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60. Fair enough

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:47 PM

Nov 2012

I do think it is worth noting though that he has publicly stated that he had a sexual relationship with this person when the person was only 18 (and the accused was in his 50s). This is, of course, not a crime but it's not like he denies knowing or having a relationship with the person in question, just the age at which it began (This is in regard to the first accuser).

I do agree with you, however, that the fact that civil lawsuits rather than criminal charges are being pursued exclusively at this point is somewhat questionable.

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Sad. efhmc Nov 2012 #1

What's the inside scoop on this? AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #2

No -- you aren't right. The controversy was invented by the accuser, looking for a payday. MADem Nov 2012 #5

He recanted the recantation. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #9

He recanted the recantation? AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #11

Yes. WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #39

When? Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #23

No - you are wrong. There is a second accuser. oberliner Nov 2012 #18

They need to pursue charges then. Step up and step out. MADem Nov 2012 #20

Here's a link oberliner Nov 2012 #59

We'll have to see how this shakes out. MADem Nov 2012 #71

Indeed oberliner Nov 2012 #72

Or maybe, just maybe WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #40

Fair enough oberliner Nov 2012 #60

He was in his forties, but WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #89

Sorry - that's what I meant oberliner Nov 2012 #92

You don't know that. There's a second lawsuit now by another accuser. pnwmom Nov 2012 #30

Catholic priests generally molest prepubescent children, not sexually active teens who seek out MADem Nov 2012 #38

Actually most priest victims were post-pubescent AngryAmish Nov 2012 #53

Thank you. That's correct. n/t pnwmom Nov 2012 #57

No, that is not accurate--between eleven and fourteen years old, on average. MADem Nov 2012 #75

No halfway intelligent person would expect that everyone on an over 18 line pnwmom Nov 2012 #58

I'm going on what I see on the television commercials. MADem Nov 2012 #76

The average age during the decade when this even supposedly occurred, according to the table, pnwmom Nov 2012 #80

I am not saying that anything is "OK" though you seem eager--nay, ANXIOUS--to put those kinds of MADem Nov 2012 #83

Where have I said anything that indicates I think there is evidence he is guilty? pnwmom Nov 2012 #86

You have done nothing but make insinuations in our conversation, here. MADem Nov 2012 #90

I don't think the Vatican has a history of consistently protecting puppeteers... LanternWaste Nov 2012 #46

Ouch tavalon Nov 2012 #98

Nothing worse than the character assassination of a good person. nt Javaman Nov 2012 #3

Or letting a rapist go free because they are famous AngryAmish Nov 2012 #7

Um what? The guy who accused Clash retracted his statement. Javaman Nov 2012 #12

Then another guy has come forward AngryAmish Nov 2012 #14

Ahhh that's different. I had no idea of the others. I'll have to read up on it. nt Javaman Nov 2012 #15

I just assume everyone knew AngryAmish Nov 2012 #16

Don't you have to state that you are eighteen to go on those chat lines? MADem Nov 2012 #21

I was under the impression that it was one of those party-line thingys AngryAmish Nov 2012 #26

Yes--those telephone line things. "Must be 18" is what my TV tells me. MADem Nov 2012 #34

In a bar you know someone (the bartender) has checked the ID's of drinkers. pnwmom Nov 2012 #68

Are those chat lines free, or do they cost x cents a minute? MADem Nov 2012 #70

Clash isn't accused of raping anyone while on a chat line. pnwmom Nov 2012 #67

Again, you meet someone in a bar, do you "card" them later? MADem Nov 2012 #73

He claims he recanted and settled under duress for $125K. targetpractice Nov 2012 #17

I am not one of Polanski's apologists Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #25

Clash admits relations with the initial accuser, but that the dude was 18 (or 17) at the time AngryAmish Nov 2012 #27

I think Donald Trump's habit of trading in his wives for younger models is reprehensible, too. MADem Nov 2012 #35

What's the heterosexual equivalent of a "chickenhawk?" WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #43

Horndog. Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #65

If she's 22 years younger she's a mature woman in her 40's. pnwmom Nov 2012 #69

Did I say it was? WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #88

Does "first got together" mean having sex? pnwmom Nov 2012 #95

Uh, okay, I'm sure it was just chaste little goodnight kisses... nt WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #105

Dirty old man? No fool like an old fool? nt MADem Nov 2012 #77

I believe it cradle robber nt WinniSkipper Nov 2012 #93

There are two definitions of chickenhawk Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #64

I'm not a Polanski apologist, either, but WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #41

He spent time Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #63

The psych facility WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #87

Neither of the accusers has said anything about rape. yardwork Nov 2012 #97

But when the accused is a priest here, people are all over it. pnwmom Nov 2012 #31

The priests that invite ire are the ones that are molesting CHILDREN. MADem Nov 2012 #36

Statistically, the large majority of priests accused of abuse abused underage teens, pnwmom Nov 2012 #50

Were they calling phone chat hotlines? graegoyle Nov 2012 #54

Maybe some of them were. But what's the point? Clash's accusers pnwmom Nov 2012 #55

Average age is 12. That's not the same situation at all. MADem Nov 2012 #78

I agree that this sucks, too. Did he jump or was he pushed? MADem Nov 2012 #4

Are you serious? oberliner Nov 2012 #19

As I said upthread, don't you have to be eighteen to go on a chat line? MADem Nov 2012 #22

Even if children represent themselves as 18, it's still up to the adult to KNOW. nt pnwmom Nov 2012 #32

Like Rob Lowe knew? MADem Nov 2012 #37

I don't know anything about that situation. But I've told my own sons that at the very least pnwmom Nov 2012 #48

Don't let your sons go to New York. MADem Nov 2012 #84

Doesn't matter. It's up to the adult to make sure that his or her prospective partner is of age. pnwmom Nov 2012 #85

That's absurd--when an "adult" assumes he or she is dealing with another "adult," there isn't MADem Nov 2012 #91

If Clash, like Lowe, was deceived by minors carrying fake ID's, that should let him off the hook. pnwmom Nov 2012 #94

There are always fake IDs BuelahWitch Nov 2012 #100

Of course. But then the burden of proof is off the adult pnwmom Nov 2012 #103

I don't know oberliner Nov 2012 #61

Unfortunately, according to TMZ a second accuser has come Laurian Nov 2012 #6

"money or revenge"? Because accusing the voice of ELMO is a sure bet?! WinkyDink Nov 2012 #10

I said it "could" be money or revenge. It could also be that the accusations Laurian Nov 2012 #13

People said the same thing about the Penn State coach -- at first. The only thing pnwmom Nov 2012 #47

Not many people. The Penn State coach was molesting little children. MADem Nov 2012 #74

So you think victims of statutory rape are basically asking for it? pnwmom Nov 2012 #81

Let's wait, why don't we, to determine two things. MADem Nov 2012 #82

Sad indeed. SoapBox Nov 2012 #8

Great. Just what PBS needed. WhoIsNumberNone Nov 2012 #24

Gingrich! Sanford! Ensign! Wide Stance! graegoyle Nov 2012 #52

'Elmo' puppeteer Kevin Clash resigns as second man files lawsuit over new underage sex allegations struggle4progress Nov 2012 #28

Those dates don't add up... sweetloukillbot Nov 2012 #44

9 years ago, not 19 years ago nt oberliner Nov 2012 #62

According to one of those articles, the first accuser wants to give the settlement money back now pnwmom Nov 2012 #49

I met him when I worked on the 1st Ninja Turtle movie. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #29

As someone who watched sesame during the clash era alp227 Nov 2012 #33

this is absurd. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2012 #42

He had to resign. He clearly violated the Uniform Code of Muppet Justice. nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2012 #45

I don't care who he is if he was lalalu Nov 2012 #51

Either we're serious about statutory rape laws or we're not. pnwmom Nov 2012 #56

I agree Blasphemer Nov 2012 #66

Kevin Clash Accuser Insists He Didn't Lie and Wants Out of Settlement oberliner Nov 2012 #79

"...the struggling actor model..." BuelahWitch Nov 2012 #101

I wonder if Genia agrees that he never lived in the closet. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #96

Here's the thing...ELMO SUCKED! hexola Nov 2012 #99

Does anyone find the timing after Bird Bird was so prominent in the election suspicious? graham4anything Nov 2012 #102

Yeah, it's a good thing this was under wraps until after. Pterodactyl Nov 2012 #104