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MADem

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82. Let's wait, why don't we, to determine two things.

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:40 AM

Nov 2012

First, are these people victims?

Second, was there any rape, statutory, or otherwise?

I don't know anything more about the "quality" or "character" of this "sex chat line" than you do--but I don't think he was looking for teen advice on a line of that nature. You're saying you do? Do "teen sex chat lines" even exist?

As I said, if you want groceries, you go to a grocery store.

You seem eager to convict this guy on the word of two people, at least one of whom came forward after he "googled" the guy and figured out he was that big famous puppeteer, the one in the documentary.

I can wait for the facts to sort themselves out without demanding the guy's head on a plate. If he's guilty of anything, we'll know soon enough without convicting him here on DU, before the gavel comes down.

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Kevin Clash, Elmo Puppeteer, Resigns [View all] onehandle Nov 2012 OP

Sad. efhmc Nov 2012 #1

What's the inside scoop on this? AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #2

No -- you aren't right. The controversy was invented by the accuser, looking for a payday. MADem Nov 2012 #5

He recanted the recantation. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #9

He recanted the recantation? AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #11

Yes. WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #39

When? Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #23

No - you are wrong. There is a second accuser. oberliner Nov 2012 #18

They need to pursue charges then. Step up and step out. MADem Nov 2012 #20

Here's a link oberliner Nov 2012 #59

We'll have to see how this shakes out. MADem Nov 2012 #71

Indeed oberliner Nov 2012 #72

Or maybe, just maybe WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #40

Fair enough oberliner Nov 2012 #60

He was in his forties, but WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #89

Sorry - that's what I meant oberliner Nov 2012 #92

You don't know that. There's a second lawsuit now by another accuser. pnwmom Nov 2012 #30

Catholic priests generally molest prepubescent children, not sexually active teens who seek out MADem Nov 2012 #38

Actually most priest victims were post-pubescent AngryAmish Nov 2012 #53

Thank you. That's correct. n/t pnwmom Nov 2012 #57

No, that is not accurate--between eleven and fourteen years old, on average. MADem Nov 2012 #75

No halfway intelligent person would expect that everyone on an over 18 line pnwmom Nov 2012 #58

I'm going on what I see on the television commercials. MADem Nov 2012 #76

The average age during the decade when this even supposedly occurred, according to the table, pnwmom Nov 2012 #80

I am not saying that anything is "OK" though you seem eager--nay, ANXIOUS--to put those kinds of MADem Nov 2012 #83

Where have I said anything that indicates I think there is evidence he is guilty? pnwmom Nov 2012 #86

You have done nothing but make insinuations in our conversation, here. MADem Nov 2012 #90

I don't think the Vatican has a history of consistently protecting puppeteers... LanternWaste Nov 2012 #46

Ouch tavalon Nov 2012 #98

Nothing worse than the character assassination of a good person. nt Javaman Nov 2012 #3

Or letting a rapist go free because they are famous AngryAmish Nov 2012 #7

Um what? The guy who accused Clash retracted his statement. Javaman Nov 2012 #12

Then another guy has come forward AngryAmish Nov 2012 #14

Ahhh that's different. I had no idea of the others. I'll have to read up on it. nt Javaman Nov 2012 #15

I just assume everyone knew AngryAmish Nov 2012 #16

Don't you have to state that you are eighteen to go on those chat lines? MADem Nov 2012 #21

I was under the impression that it was one of those party-line thingys AngryAmish Nov 2012 #26

Yes--those telephone line things. "Must be 18" is what my TV tells me. MADem Nov 2012 #34

In a bar you know someone (the bartender) has checked the ID's of drinkers. pnwmom Nov 2012 #68

Are those chat lines free, or do they cost x cents a minute? MADem Nov 2012 #70

Clash isn't accused of raping anyone while on a chat line. pnwmom Nov 2012 #67

Again, you meet someone in a bar, do you "card" them later? MADem Nov 2012 #73

He claims he recanted and settled under duress for $125K. targetpractice Nov 2012 #17

I am not one of Polanski's apologists Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #25

Clash admits relations with the initial accuser, but that the dude was 18 (or 17) at the time AngryAmish Nov 2012 #27

I think Donald Trump's habit of trading in his wives for younger models is reprehensible, too. MADem Nov 2012 #35

What's the heterosexual equivalent of a "chickenhawk?" WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #43

Horndog. Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #65

If she's 22 years younger she's a mature woman in her 40's. pnwmom Nov 2012 #69

Did I say it was? WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #88

Does "first got together" mean having sex? pnwmom Nov 2012 #95

Uh, okay, I'm sure it was just chaste little goodnight kisses... nt WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #105

Dirty old man? No fool like an old fool? nt MADem Nov 2012 #77

I believe it cradle robber nt WinniSkipper Nov 2012 #93

There are two definitions of chickenhawk Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #64

I'm not a Polanski apologist, either, but WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #41

He spent time Kelvin Mace Nov 2012 #63

The psych facility WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #87

Neither of the accusers has said anything about rape. yardwork Nov 2012 #97

But when the accused is a priest here, people are all over it. pnwmom Nov 2012 #31

The priests that invite ire are the ones that are molesting CHILDREN. MADem Nov 2012 #36

Statistically, the large majority of priests accused of abuse abused underage teens, pnwmom Nov 2012 #50

Were they calling phone chat hotlines? graegoyle Nov 2012 #54

Maybe some of them were. But what's the point? Clash's accusers pnwmom Nov 2012 #55

Average age is 12. That's not the same situation at all. MADem Nov 2012 #78

I agree that this sucks, too. Did he jump or was he pushed? MADem Nov 2012 #4

Are you serious? oberliner Nov 2012 #19

As I said upthread, don't you have to be eighteen to go on a chat line? MADem Nov 2012 #22

Even if children represent themselves as 18, it's still up to the adult to KNOW. nt pnwmom Nov 2012 #32

Like Rob Lowe knew? MADem Nov 2012 #37

I don't know anything about that situation. But I've told my own sons that at the very least pnwmom Nov 2012 #48

Don't let your sons go to New York. MADem Nov 2012 #84

Doesn't matter. It's up to the adult to make sure that his or her prospective partner is of age. pnwmom Nov 2012 #85

That's absurd--when an "adult" assumes he or she is dealing with another "adult," there isn't MADem Nov 2012 #91

If Clash, like Lowe, was deceived by minors carrying fake ID's, that should let him off the hook. pnwmom Nov 2012 #94

There are always fake IDs BuelahWitch Nov 2012 #100

Of course. But then the burden of proof is off the adult pnwmom Nov 2012 #103

I don't know oberliner Nov 2012 #61

Unfortunately, according to TMZ a second accuser has come Laurian Nov 2012 #6

"money or revenge"? Because accusing the voice of ELMO is a sure bet?! WinkyDink Nov 2012 #10

I said it "could" be money or revenge. It could also be that the accusations Laurian Nov 2012 #13

People said the same thing about the Penn State coach -- at first. The only thing pnwmom Nov 2012 #47

Not many people. The Penn State coach was molesting little children. MADem Nov 2012 #74

So you think victims of statutory rape are basically asking for it? pnwmom Nov 2012 #81

Let's wait, why don't we, to determine two things. MADem Nov 2012 #82

Sad indeed. SoapBox Nov 2012 #8

Great. Just what PBS needed. WhoIsNumberNone Nov 2012 #24

Gingrich! Sanford! Ensign! Wide Stance! graegoyle Nov 2012 #52

'Elmo' puppeteer Kevin Clash resigns as second man files lawsuit over new underage sex allegations struggle4progress Nov 2012 #28

Those dates don't add up... sweetloukillbot Nov 2012 #44

9 years ago, not 19 years ago nt oberliner Nov 2012 #62

According to one of those articles, the first accuser wants to give the settlement money back now pnwmom Nov 2012 #49

I met him when I worked on the 1st Ninja Turtle movie. AlbertCat Nov 2012 #29

As someone who watched sesame during the clash era alp227 Nov 2012 #33

this is absurd. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2012 #42

He had to resign. He clearly violated the Uniform Code of Muppet Justice. nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2012 #45

I don't care who he is if he was lalalu Nov 2012 #51

Either we're serious about statutory rape laws or we're not. pnwmom Nov 2012 #56

I agree Blasphemer Nov 2012 #66

Kevin Clash Accuser Insists He Didn't Lie and Wants Out of Settlement oberliner Nov 2012 #79

"...the struggling actor model..." BuelahWitch Nov 2012 #101

I wonder if Genia agrees that he never lived in the closet. LiberalAndProud Nov 2012 #96

Here's the thing...ELMO SUCKED! hexola Nov 2012 #99

Does anyone find the timing after Bird Bird was so prominent in the election suspicious? graham4anything Nov 2012 #102

Yeah, it's a good thing this was under wraps until after. Pterodactyl Nov 2012 #104