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41. People actually using insurance is "ripping off Medicare"?

Reply to justaprogressive (Original post)

Thu Oct 5, 2023, 09:43 AM

Oct 2023

But when accounting for induced utilization—"the idea that people with supplemental coverage are likely to use more health care because their insurance pays for more of their cost"—PNHP estimated that the annual overbilling total could be as high as $140 billion.

How is that categorized as overbilling?

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Medicare Advantage Overbills Taxpayers by $140 Billion a Year--Enough to Wipe Out Medicare Premiums [View all] justaprogressive Oct 2023 OP

Uh oh - cue the comments... moose65 Oct 2023 #1

Medicare Advantage was formed to bankrupt Medicare. gab13by13 Oct 2023 #2

Yes, I know that moose65 Oct 2023 #5

This person gets it how about you? Stargazer99 Oct 2023 #25

Here is a comment TBA Oct 2023 #6

Choice for the lucky few? Hardly seems fair-I am damn sick and tired of those special people Stargazer99 Oct 2023 #27

So glad you are well. If using Advantage plans, it's best to choose a PPO. You can go out of network Joinfortmill Oct 2023 #31

The poster apparently has a Supplemental ("Medigap") plan, not Medicare Advantage Pinback Oct 2023 #45

I've had a Supplemental paln for 12 years now and the only thing I could INdemo Oct 2023 #62

Fix it then DownriverDem Oct 2023 #38

Question for you moose65 Oct 2023 #51

All I Rebl2 Oct 2023 #60

Only one for me DownriverDem Oct 2023 #72

Michigan DownriverDem Oct 2023 #71

I'll say it again... TBA Oct 2023 #3

You are correct moose65 Oct 2023 #7

Thom Hartmann has explained this numerous times which I have read here on DU: Rhiannon12866 Oct 2023 #8

If PNHP is right and Medicare Advantage is overbilling, an investigation by the DOJ seems overdue. ancianita Oct 2023 #14

Where's the accountability? Bluethroughu Oct 2023 #24

Exactly. And who makes corporations accountable for overbilling? It can't just be Congress. ancianita Oct 2023 #57

No government contracts for cheats. Bluethroughu Oct 2023 #64

But the question is who enforces against cheats: Congress passing a law, or the DOJ, or some ancianita Oct 2023 #68

A new government accountability agency investigates Bluethroughu Oct 2023 #69

The DOJ IS our government accountability agency. ancianita Oct 2023 #70

I am sure the lack of knowledge is on purpose-a Republican specialty for the common man Stargazer99 Oct 2023 #28

I've used an Advantage plan for a decade. I always choose a PPO. I've had brain stenting... Joinfortmill Oct 2023 #34

You should know what they are billing medicare mine tells m Oppaloopa Oct 2023 #42

I did see something after I had the stenting... Joinfortmill Oct 2023 #43

Advantage plans don't work like that moose65 Oct 2023 #52

MA may be ripping off Medicare. I don't know. Joinfortmill Oct 2023 #65

if a company over charges fine them moonshinegnomie Oct 2023 #4

I like how you think. ancianita Oct 2023 #13

I'll second that idea Stargazer99 Oct 2023 #29

And yet we let these people walk among us cactusfractal Oct 2023 #9

+1 area51 Oct 2023 #20

Universal healthcare is long overdue. Lonestarblue Oct 2023 #10

Amen X infinity!!! EOM Scottie Mom Oct 2023 #23

Just make sure you cover all the bases. canuckledragger Oct 2023 #47

Medicare rules are complicated dlk Oct 2023 #11

Based on what Trump and the GOP Old Crank Oct 2023 #12

No, they get to Senators, Governor's and who knows... Bluethroughu Oct 2023 #17

Confusion .... upcoding .... induced utilization! Doctors make you sick so they can make more MONEY! bucolic_frolic Oct 2023 #15

Maybe it's just an estate tax in another format bucolic_frolic Oct 2023 #18

I work with dozens of doctors. None are "trying AllyCat Oct 2023 #37

Mine are. bucolic_frolic Oct 2023 #58

Wow, and why do we not have single payer? Bluethroughu Oct 2023 #16

Congress taking bribes to not vote in the bills in the house and senate, area51 Oct 2023 #19

Yep...cuz we have the best healthcare in the world don't you know... Bluethroughu Oct 2023 #21

Best health care for the well to do - not the common man Stargazer99 Oct 2023 #30

I actually have a cadillac plan, but the level of service and care has gone down Bluethroughu Oct 2023 #35

And why are we paying for Medicare after we paid all our lives for it???? Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #22

That is really nice that you don't need Medicare-so the rest of us just go to hell Stargazer99 Oct 2023 #32

No, the rest of you shouldn't have to pay more either Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #44

There have been premiums since it was started in 1966 MichMan Oct 2023 #46

Yes, I wrote that in my post Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #55

That's not how it works moose65 Oct 2023 #53

True there is no trust fund where my Medicare taxes went into like in SocSec Farmer-Rick Oct 2023 #56

Social Security works the same way moose65 Oct 2023 #67

Corporations out to bilk taxpayers and clients alike. AllyCat Oct 2023 #26

We used to have some controls on corps-now they control us Stargazer99 Oct 2023 #33

No kidding. AllyCat Oct 2023 #36

Greed is a disease. sarcasmo Oct 2023 #39

I am getting dozens of calls per week trying to get me to switch to a 'free' advantage plan. mackdaddy Oct 2023 #40

People actually using insurance is "ripping off Medicare"? MichMan Oct 2023 #41

Right-wing divide and conquer tactics strike again rlegro Oct 2023 #48

Since it's inception, Medicare has been compromised. jaxexpat Oct 2023 #49

DURec leftstreet Oct 2023 #50

And why are they not required to pay that 140 billion back? PortTack Oct 2023 #54

Ok, people. Here is how Medicare Advantage Plans work from Medicare.gov. Joinfortmill Oct 2023 #59

My wife and I enjoy the volunteer services of retired business people who make themselves available Martin68 Oct 2023 #61

Who is surprised by this? LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2023 #63

Medicare Advantage is great if you're healthy. JohnnyRingo Oct 2023 #66

Locking this thread. ificandream Oct 2023 #73