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erronis

(23,869 posts)
54. Great article in Common Dreams
Tue Nov 7, 2023, 09:15 AM
Nov 2023

A bit of it excerpted:

Medicare Advantage Overbills Taxpayers by $140 Billion a Year—Enough to Wipe Out Medicare Premiums

"Medicare Advantage is just another example of the endless greed of the insurance industry poisoning American healthcare," says a new report from Physicians for a National Health Program.
Jake Johnson
Oct 04, 2023
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A report published Wednesday estimates that privately run, government-funded Medicare Advantage plans are overcharging U.S. taxpayers by up to $140 billion per year, a sum that could be used to completely eliminate Medicare Part B premiums or fully fund Medicare's prescription drug program.

Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP), an advocacy group that supports transitioning to a single-payer health insurance system, found that Medicare Advantage (MA) overbills the federal government by at least $88 billion per year, based on 2022 spending.

That lower-end estimate accounts for common MA practices such as upcoding, whereby diagnoses are piled onto a patient's risk assessment to make them appear sicker than they actually are, resulting in a larger payment from the federal government.

But when accounting for induced utilization—"the idea that people with supplemental coverage are likely to use more health care because their insurance pays for more of their cost"—PNHP estimated that the annual overbilling total could be as high as $140 billion.

"This is unconscionable, unsustainable, and in our current healthcare system, unremarkable," says the new report. "Medicare Advantage is just another example of the endless greed of the insurance industry poisoning American healthcare, siphoning money from vulnerable patients while delaying and denying necessary and often lifesaving treatment."

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I don't know how much of a problem this is. former9thward Nov 2023 #1
I see fraud articles re: MA a lot vapor2 Nov 2023 #26
The fraud problems have nothing to do with my coverage...... Jack from Charlotte Nov 2023 #68
Perhaps you should read this. He explains everything about Medicare Advantage's attempt to privatize Medicare. ancianita Nov 2023 #94
I find it incredibly confusing. LisaM Nov 2023 #98
That does sound confusing. former9thward Nov 2023 #100
The Medicare supplement plans are just as confusing or more so than the doc03 Nov 2023 #123
Joe will insult many people who MOMFUDSKI Nov 2023 #2
Yes. Half the seniors opt for advantage plans jimfields33 Nov 2023 #4
So Biden is wrong and they shouldn't investigate? Kingofalldems Nov 2023 #32
Is that your thoughts on it? jimfields33 Nov 2023 #33
No--the thread is about President Joe Biden cracking down Kingofalldems Nov 2023 #84
Lol. I'm not on anything. Not even near the age. jimfields33 Nov 2023 #85
I opt in! Riverman100 Nov 2023 #36
About Aetna Postal Grunt Nov 2023 #41
Exception True Blue American Nov 2023 #46
Insurance agents practicing medicine without a license...... lastlib Nov 2023 #63
That Ship RobinA Nov 2023 #76
And it's high time it was scuttled. n/t lastlib Nov 2023 #87
Couldn't Agree More RobinA Nov 2023 #90
Not happy kacekwl Nov 2023 #129
You seem to be a constant supporter of "Advantage". How about erronis Nov 2023 #12
I have had Advantage for 10 years and am MOMFUDSKI Nov 2023 #15
You'll find out when you need expensive treatments or a specialist "not in your network" SharonAnn Nov 2023 #20
I went to the best Ortho Group in the Tri-County area for back surgery. MOMFUDSKI Nov 2023 #23
Nope! Riverman100 Nov 2023 #37
I just had a very expensive"Cardiac Event" while out of town..... Jack from Charlotte Nov 2023 #67
That $2500 is your max out of pocket? Army Brat Nov 2023 #73
Isn't the 20% copay just for Part B (outpatient) care? sl8 Nov 2023 #74
Yep, on humana advantage, was turned down for Butterflylady Nov 2023 #89
I doubt it. I live in a city with 2 major medical centers, one of which is the Mayo Clinic. elocs Nov 2023 #125
Hope you never need the expertise of Mayo Clinic WyLoochka Nov 2023 #42
Odd because I have a Medicare Advantage plan and Mayo accepts it with no trouble at all. Care to reconsider? n/t elocs Nov 2023 #108
Same nt pazzyanne Nov 2023 #115
he following health systems are calling it quits with Medicare Advantage plans this year WyLoochka Nov 2023 #122
I've had an Advantage plan 8 1/2 years..... Jack from Charlotte Nov 2023 #64
Every one I know who is on an 'advantage' plan has to hussle every year to find care providers Attilatheblond Nov 2023 #22
And I would guess those people have HMO's. pazzyanne Nov 2023 #39
Glad to hear it works for you. Some people don't get the same milage n/t Attilatheblond Nov 2023 #113
The government calls them Medicare C on the official Medicare website MichMan Nov 2023 #27
And you can thank the GW Bush administration dflprincess Nov 2023 #78
Actually Part C - then called Medicare Choice - started under Clinton, and there were managed care plans decades earlier Silent Type Nov 2023 #82
You are spot on but there are some who are happy with their plan vapor2 Nov 2023 #28
My Medicare Advantage plan is a PPO. pazzyanne Nov 2023 #116
I'd rec this 10,000 times if I could. n/t CousinIT Nov 2023 #86
How does creating rules that regulate insurance companies insult subscribers? nilram Nov 2023 #44
A lot of people have subsumed the 'all gubmint bad' viewpoint. Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #65
Your Supplemental Medicare plan premiums Farmer-Rick Nov 2023 #48
Choosing a plan because it's what you can afford dflprincess Nov 2023 #77
I want telemarketers to stop calling me about Medicare plans. LiberalFighter Nov 2023 #3
Where are they getting the money for their aggressive marketing tactics? ariadne0614 Nov 2023 #5
Exactly, look in other thread about what my Emile Nov 2023 #6
I shall do that--thanks. n/t ariadne0614 Nov 2023 #7
https://www.commondreams.org/news/medicare-advantage-overcharging vapor2 Nov 2023 #29
Great article in Common Dreams erronis Nov 2023 #54
Why is people getting health care services because they are covered by insurance called "overbilling" MichMan Nov 2023 #60
I caught that too stopdiggin Nov 2023 #128
Don't sign up with Humana ArkansasDemocrat1 Nov 2023 #43
I so agree Rebl2 Nov 2023 #70
Correct me if I'm wrong but the insurance company never treated your relative..... Jack from Charlotte Nov 2023 #75
The doctors Rebl2 Nov 2023 #97
At least one of the larger clinic/hospital systems in my area dflprincess Nov 2023 #80
I turned off the landline ringer during "open enrollment"; then I pulled cable bundle w/landline phone in favor of Backseat Driver Nov 2023 #18
I had two calls today from Advantage plans. Emile Nov 2023 #105
Oddly I Rebl2 Nov 2023 #69
fat chance THAT is ever going to happen Skittles Nov 2023 #8
Exactly. Advantage plans were sold as a way to save money. They now cost the government Lonestarblue Nov 2023 #9
Maybe our government should revamp MOMFUDSKI Nov 2023 #10
What they offer is denied coverage, no thanks. Emile Nov 2023 #11
My agent told me that one would want MOMFUDSKI Nov 2023 #49
Medicare Advantage is KILLING my brother, Emile Nov 2023 #53
Wow! You are a pretty constant fan of these Advantage plans. erronis Nov 2023 #13
No ties. Just having a good experience MOMFUDSKI Nov 2023 #17
Same! nt pazzyanne Nov 2023 #40
HELLO Skittles Nov 2023 #34
But they are not MOMFUDSKI Nov 2023 #50
If you only care about yourself and in the short term delisen Nov 2023 #79
That's pretty selfish of you. Elessar Zappa Nov 2023 #93
CORRECT Skittles Nov 2023 #99
No... pazzyanne Nov 2023 #117
You bring up an interesting point. area51 Nov 2023 #38
I had a therapist thru my old insurance Farmer-Rick Nov 2023 #52
Then the Guv must figure a way. MOMFUDSKI Nov 2023 #16
If these private health plans destroy Medicare nevergiveup Nov 2023 #14
Sign up for Medicare Part B.... reACTIONary Nov 2023 #31
Looks like it's headed that way soon. Republicans Emile Nov 2023 #45
Medicare Pays RobinA Nov 2023 #81
At least you're starting to question it. Emile Nov 2023 #83
Huh? RobinA Nov 2023 #91
Huh? Emile Nov 2023 #103
Does your brother have a HMO or a PPO plan? pazzyanne Nov 2023 #118
All I know is, he has a goddamn Advantage plan. Emile Nov 2023 #120
My MA Plan DownriverDem Nov 2023 #19
That's great until you need something major. That's where they often fall short. SharonAnn Nov 2023 #21
costs "0" because they are stiffing the taxpayers bigtime Skittles Nov 2023 #101
Advantage plans are fine so long as you don't have a serious injury or medical issue. TomSlick Nov 2023 #24
9 years on my UHC MA plan I've never been denied coverage for anything I needed. elocs Nov 2023 #109
+ 1 nt pazzyanne Nov 2023 #119
I'm sure it depends on the carrier. TomSlick Nov 2023 #124
I don't have a Medicare advantage horror story Demobrat Nov 2023 #25
I'm on traditional Medicare. I won't do Medicare Advantage. RipVanWinkle Nov 2023 #30
I've been on Medicare Advantage for 9 years now with no problem and I can't begin to afford traditional Medicare. n/t elocs Nov 2023 #110
Good. nt SunSeeker Nov 2023 #35
For those of you who say you couldn't be more pleased with your Advantage plan... llmart Nov 2023 #47
I get tired of people saying I PAY ZERO! Skittles Nov 2023 #102
I'm completely happy with my MA plan & never had a problem or been turned down for treatment. elocs Nov 2023 #111
Let's think about MA logically, OK? Scottie Mom Nov 2023 #51
Because MA was created by the Federal government in 1997 ? MichMan Nov 2023 #61
And that excuses private insurance masquerading as a government program? Scottie Mom Nov 2023 #104
Medicare Part C is a SCAM! justaprogressive Nov 2023 #55
That's nice, but Susan Calvin Nov 2023 #56
The Federal government calls them Medicare on the official government website MichMan Nov 2023 #62
Exactly what I want to go away. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2023 #95
I've been on Medicare for just a few months. QED Nov 2023 #57
Medicare for all Americans. Now. n/t PatrickforB Nov 2023 #58
Medicare C should be re-labeled "Not Medicare" JenniferJuniper Nov 2023 #59
All these commercials are ridiculous! mymomwasright Nov 2023 #66
Hubby turns 65 in Jan 2024 moreland01 Nov 2023 #71
Like it or not there are some hard truths about the advantage plans. When Medicare funds are gone do to PortTack Nov 2023 #72
Thank you for posting RainWalker Nov 2023 #88
Please wryter2000 Nov 2023 #92
It was literally written into the law passed by Republicans in 2003. ancianita Nov 2023 #107
1997 MichMan Nov 2023 #126
Biden is doing the right thing. He knows how the so-called 'advantage' private systems work. ancianita Nov 2023 #96
It was first passed in 1997, not 2003 MichMan Nov 2023 #127
when did these come about . im out of the loop here . another attempt to privatize? AllaN01Bear Nov 2023 #106
I am on actual Medicare. I have been getting 40 to 50 sales calls a week from Advantage plan Robocalls. mackdaddy Nov 2023 #112
100th Rec. Joe Biden Rocks. Hekate Nov 2023 #114
One issue The Bopper Nov 2023 #121
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