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4. William Burns made one big miscalculation...

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:39 AM

Nov 2012

In a last-ditch move Wednesday, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State William Burns made a personal appeal to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas promising that President Barack Obama would re-engage as a mediator in 2013 if Abbas abandoned the effort to seek statehood. But the Palestinian leader refused, said Abbas aide Saeb Erekat.

The entire reason the Palestinians are taking this route is because the United States has failed repeatedly as a "mediator." The United States does not mediate. The United States backs Israel. Regardless of if you think that's a good thing or not, there's no way for that to be called "mediation."

Offering the Palestinians more of the same if they stop their bid to get around "more of the same" is ridiculous.

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Palestinians certain to win recognition as a state [View all] Poll_Blind Nov 2012 OP

Again the US is on the WRONG side of history on this issue. Fearless Nov 2012 #1

I wish they would make LGBT rights a condition of recognition, King_David Nov 2012 #46

No Islamic Country I know of guarantees those rights. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #53

These rights are more important than the resolution King_David Nov 2012 #54

The UN doesn't have the authority or power to force those ideals on anyone... Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #55

I agree nt King_David Nov 2012 #56

"The United States, Israel's closest ally..." x2 vancouverite Nov 2012 #2

+1000 Katashi_itto Nov 2012 #29

another +1000 byeya Nov 2012 #35

+1000=3000 Hayabusa Nov 2012 #43

+1000=4000 truebrit71 Nov 2012 #51

Give the Palestinians their land. rightsideout Nov 2012 #3

William Burns made one big miscalculation... Scootaloo Nov 2012 #4

You have it exactly correct! GitRDun Nov 2012 #5

I thinks this is great news. The US is losing its importance..............nft plethoro Nov 2012 #6

Anything that stops the record from skipping Justin_Beach Nov 2012 #7

"open the way for possible war crimes charges against the Jewish state" ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #8

Israel calls itself a Jewish state. In fact, it is illegal there to support changing that. David__77 Nov 2012 #9

I expect Coptic Christians to move right in, don't you? aquart Nov 2012 #13

You certainly misunderstand my post. David__77 Nov 2012 #14

UN Resolution 181 of November 27, 1947 JDPriestly Nov 2012 #38

There are Christian Palestinians already (nt) muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #34

"Israel calls itself a Jewish state." ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #17

Actually, the United Nations established Israel JDPriestly Nov 2012 #39

No, you aren't the only one who thinks that way. Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #10

"Why is that material?" ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #16

How is that relevant? Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #18

2+2=4 x2 vancouverite Nov 2012 #19

Good. But this is 2+2=5 Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #21

Of course! x2 vancouverite Nov 2012 #22

No, it is actual math, unlike the crap you are peddling. Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #23

Do explain :-) x2 vancouverite Nov 2012 #24

Well, hon... Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #25

"...sure as hell shouldn't rely on how the Israelis define theirs..." x2 vancouverite Nov 2012 #26

Then you agree, the other poster's comments were "2+2=5". Behind the Aegis Nov 2012 #27

The only person in this thread talking "2+2=5" shit x2 vancouverite Nov 2012 #31

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #32

Who in this thread first stated that TWO plus TWO equals FIVE??? x2 vancouverite Nov 2012 #33

Israel was called a Jewish state in the UN resolution JDPriestly Nov 2012 #40

so will Palestine then be called the Arab state because that was what the UN references meant azurnoir Nov 2012 #44

If they like. It would make sense. Even though it is inaccurate. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #48

but calling a state where at least 25% of the population is not Jewish azurnoir Nov 2012 #50

It is fact King_David Nov 2012 #57

It is called Israel that's right n/t azurnoir Nov 2012 #58

What will it be if demographics change? Scootaloo Nov 2012 #60

I was refering to consistency from the author. ZombieHorde Nov 2012 #42

+1,000 David Zephyr Nov 2012 #45

well, Israelis self-identify themselves as "the Jewish State" Alamuti Lotus Nov 2012 #15

The term is not strange. Chef Eric Nov 2012 #30

Palestine is in part Islamic and in part Christian. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #37

K&R ReRe Nov 2012 #11

I'm all for it. They'll be able to legally recruit and arm a military. aquart Nov 2012 #12

U.N. set for implicit recognition of Palestinian state, despite U.S., Israel threats dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #20

It's embarrassing that the US is against this Chemisse Nov 2012 #28

Susan Rice: Palestinian statehood a �mistaken calculation� and a �dangerous diversion.� leveymg Nov 2012 #36

yuck. bunnies Nov 2012 #41

The US' position has always been firmly against any Palestinian state Scootaloo Nov 2012 #59

The upgraded status will also allow them to join the ICC, according to AJE. nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #47

Caught this beautiful picture on Haaretz just now: Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #49

A step in the right direction? truebrit71 Nov 2012 #52