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PurityOfEssence

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18. Please stop calling certain factions "the Libyans"
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 03:39 PM
Jan 2012

This is one of the most irritating traits of goody two-shoes interventionists: making sweeping statements that certain groups are the entire heart and soul of the Libyan people.

With the full weight of western air power and Qatari ground forces, they still took the better part of a year to topple Qaddafi; that clearly shows that he had plenty of true support and that--as is often the case in such times--many took no part in the action at all.

To say that anything that supports your contention is the clear voice of "the Libyans" bears no scrutiny. There has been no voting, except among self-appointed politicians. There has certainly been no plebicite. There are many factions and lots going on here, and the continued haranguing that everything's quite simple and straightforward is just a continuation of the extreme arrogance of the interventionists in the first place.

The very legitimacy of the claim that this is a true assertion of the will of the people also holds no water: the rebellion was being quite handily put down, and the only thing that saved it was MASSIVE foreign intervention.

Also, to pre-empt the tiresome argument that we had help in our revolution, let's remember that France didn't intervene in our Revolution until more than two years after it had started, and after we had won a clear strategic victory at Saratoga; we were a viable force and had shown our will, even if the colonies were very much in civil war and not fully behind the fight.

Things are very jittery there now, whether we get it in our corporatist media or not.

I'll tell you one group of people we're not hearing anything from: the many, many dead, many of whom would still be alive if we hadn't gone on our deceptive imperial oil-thieving vendetta.

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No, but they are not going to accept anything other than what they fought for. tabatha Jan 2012 #1
Those are valid points... ellisonz Jan 2012 #3
Yeah, as was said from the start, Libyan self-determination above all else. joshcryer Jan 2012 #4
"Carting off computers and office furniture" is, I would say, a very strong indication Fool Count Jan 2012 #25
Do those videos below make the protesters look any "scarier" than Wisconsinites? joshcryer Jan 2012 #31
Video of the event: joshcryer Jan 2012 #2
More on the "grenade": joshcryer Jan 2012 #5
Interesting... ellisonz Jan 2012 #6
I wonder why this is happening.. Gigibagigi Jan 2012 #7
The NTC is trying to take the reconciliation path, by including people who worked for Gaddafi tabatha Jan 2012 #8
Free elections Gigibagigi Jan 2012 #9
Well, we have not gone through what they have gone through. tabatha Jan 2012 #10
My main focus is watching the women protestors, they want 50% quota representation. joshcryer Jan 2012 #11
They have removed the quota. tabatha Jan 2012 #13
Sorry, you are correct, and I saw that, my mistake. joshcryer Jan 2012 #15
The South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission was of little concrete value. fasttense Jan 2012 #12
The problem was with Mbeki who believed in Thatcherism. tabatha Jan 2012 #14
Please stop calling certain factions "the Libyans" PurityOfEssence Jan 2012 #18
Non-sense. ellisonz Jan 2012 #19
Gainsaying flak PurityOfEssence Jan 2012 #22
Really? ellisonz Jan 2012 #24
Yes. Really. PurityOfEssence Jan 2012 #26
Hah... ellisonz Jan 2012 #27
You're seriously pushing Gaddafi's "million man march" picture? joshcryer Jan 2012 #28
More like: joshcryer Jan 2012 #29
Voting is in June I think, I can't remember the exact date. joshcryer Jan 2012 #30
Maybe Gigibagigi Jan 2012 #33
Clearly, we should be bombing the NTC. harmonicon Jan 2012 #16
Have the NTC bombed the protesters? tabatha Jan 2012 #17
Yes, they have done those things. harmonicon Jan 2012 #20
What do you think happens if NATO doesn't intervene? ellisonz Jan 2012 #21
"the forced silence of people living under autocrats should never have been mistaken for popular pampango Jan 2012 #23
Thank you for that important HRW report. joshcryer Jan 2012 #32
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