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FarrenH

(768 posts)
33. It depends
Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:16 AM
Nov 2012

From Wikipedia:

Territorial jurisdiction

During the negotiations that led to the Rome Statute, a large number of states argued that the Court should be allowed to exercise universal jurisdiction. However, this proposal was defeated due in large part to opposition from the United States.[46] A compromise was reached, allowing the Court to exercise jurisdiction only under the following limited circumstances:

- where the person accused of committing a crime is a national of a state party (or where the person's state has accepted the jurisdiction of the Court);
- where the alleged crime was committed on the territory of a state party (or where the state on whose territory the crime was committed has accepted the jurisdiction of the Court); or
- where a situation is referred to the Court by the UN Security Council.[21]

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Despite the fact that Israel has not accepted the ICC's jurisdiction, the PA has, some time ago. This could be read as exposing itself to being prosecuted under international law, or as a deft manoeuvre that anticipated its recent status upgrade.

Since the UN now recognises the PA as a state, and it is a party to the Rome Statute, the above provisions allow it to bring a case against Israel in the ICC on the basis of actions committed in the PA's nominal territory, under the second clause above.

AFAIK, most similar treaties require that member states implement their provisions in domestic law. The Geneva Convention, for instance, has the force of law inside the USA. Implementing these treaties often require additional processes within member states, such as passing acts of congress or parliament.

So countries that have ratified the Rome Statute will generally have some requirement in domestic law to enforce the decisions of the ICC, which could even include the requirement to detain an elected foreign leader should they set foot on a member state's soil. While the PA itself is obviously powerless to enforce any decision of the court against Israeli parties, such a decision might nonetheless have real teeth, thanks to domestic legal provisions in the 121 member states.

Both Israeli and Bush-era administration officials have cancelled trips to certain countries in the last decade because of charges being brought against them in those countries under domestic implementations of international law.

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Kinda hissy. GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #1
I would use the words stupid and counterproductive iandhr Nov 2012 #2
Always with the threats. bemildred Nov 2012 #3
Why does the US always get it wrong on this issue? bowens43 Nov 2012 #4
Israel is the bad guys? oberliner Nov 2012 #9
If they are not the bad guys, why are they afraid Palestine will invoke the international court? Chemisse Nov 2012 #17
Because they don't believe they will be judged fairly oberliner Nov 2012 #35
Israel has really dug its own hole in this regard. Chemisse Nov 2012 #38
Lots of countries have behaved very badly for a very long time oberliner Nov 2012 #42
I'm surprised they aren't tantruming themselves into cutting off UN funding entirely. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #5
Stay tuned... eom Purveyor Nov 2012 #7
Yep. Though that would probably come if they somehow got in as a member state Posteritatis Nov 2012 #8
They managed to act up on this, just as they shut off funding for autism under TRICARE: freshwest Nov 2012 #15
What a sick The Old Creak Nov 2012 #6
Its black letter US law, just ask UNESCO ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #10
Schumer and Menendez magical thyme Nov 2012 #11
why this fear of the ICC if israel isn't doing anything illegal? frylock Nov 2012 #12
Good question. go west young man Nov 2012 #22
Because they wont be judged fairly leftynyc Nov 2012 #36
.... DeSwiss Nov 2012 #13
Chuck Schumer Bob Menendez Bob Barrasso Lindsey Graham are the 4 promoting this azurnoir Nov 2012 #14
Sour grapes bluestateguy Nov 2012 #16
Oh no doubt - there will be plenty of Democrats who will line up with the Republicans for the cause Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #18
I voted for The Democratic Rep and Senator and President , King_David Nov 2012 #26
I voted for them too because the alternative is far, far worse Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #29
well did you vote for Harper and Gillard too azurnoir Nov 2012 #41
Disgusting but not unexpected AnOhioan Nov 2012 #19
ASSHOLES! Call the f*ckin wambulance you cry babies! L0oniX Nov 2012 #20
Face Reality chuckstevens Nov 2012 #21
Speaking of reality leftynyc Nov 2012 #37
A large majority of the USA does not support stealing land; reneging on agreements; using starvation byeya Nov 2012 #39
You're continuing leftynyc Nov 2012 #40
Yet, for decades all I ever heard EC Nov 2012 #23
Hey, don't hold back now, let your hypocrisy shine for all to see and so quick about it too! Jefferson23 Nov 2012 #24
"We are committed, Democrats'' King_David Nov 2012 #25
"Committed" indeed... To AIPAC $$$. Thanks for the {{{chuckle}}} Most all know 'it is, what it Purveyor Nov 2012 #27
'AIPAC $$$' ? King_David Nov 2012 #30
Indeed. eom Purveyor Nov 2012 #31
I think someone may need to explain to Dave how Lobby groups operate... Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #34
How much money to AIPAC donate to Senator Schumer? Freddie Stubbs Nov 2012 #43
Who cares if they press for war crimes charges? blackspade Nov 2012 #28
ICC has no jurisdiction anyway, right? David__77 Nov 2012 #32
It depends FarrenH Nov 2012 #33
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