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In reply to the discussion: Antarctica, Greenland ice definitely melting into sea, and speeding up, experts warn [View all]NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)32. Do you have evidence to substantiate this theory?
Last edited Fri Nov 30, 2012, 11:02 PM - Edit history (1)
1) Re: overshoot of hunter-gatherers?
2) Re: hunter-gathers causing ecological breakdown and diminished game
3) Re: conversion of them by these means
Everything I've read shows past and present hunter-gatherers maintain a stable population and ecological balance. No, there is not birth control, but high mortality rates and breast-feeding mothers who do not bear high numbers of children.
Quick example: Why hunter-gatherer populations do not show signs of Pleistocene demographic expansions
no species limits its own reproductive success. Period. The environment limits it.
Though, mankind has the ability to alter the environment and its carrying capacity, illustrated by agriculture. In natural systems, organisms evolve to be incredibly energy efficient (a hunt should produce just more than the energy it takes to engage in it), but not at the cost of ecological breakdown. Of course mankind has circumvented that general law, which is precisely the fundamental problem.
It isn't the organisms that limit their reproductive success, but the system that success hinges upon. Genetics that lead to overshoot will not be selected. Genetics that do not lead to success will not be selected. There is balance, produced by the system, which is "correct" for each organism in its place
On Edit: This whole theory seems completely bunk the more I think about it. Hunter-gatherers don't show a consistent progressive advancement across the globe of converting into agriculturalists when they limit their food supply. The main branch of agriculture didn't spread with scarcity via need, but it was brought into other European regions by migrants coming from a point of origin (probably leaving areas of overshoot). The migrant agriculturalists were entirely different populations with their own religion and genetics. Article about the genetic study: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17857641
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Antarctica, Greenland ice definitely melting into sea, and speeding up, experts warn [View all]
steve2470
Nov 2012
OP
"Why *practice agriculture*, when there are so many mongongo nuts in the world?"
NoOneMan
Nov 2012
#25
The problem is there just was never a universal transition "from foraging to farming"
NoOneMan
Dec 2012
#34
They'll just blame Jimmy Carter, the Mexicans and Blacks - like they did with the banking scandals.
Hassin Bin Sober
Nov 2012
#30
When Rush's $20-million 1% Republican mansion floods, he may consider telling truth. For a Change.
Berlum
Nov 2012
#7
The last time the polar ice all melted, sea level was about 40 feet below my property line
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#9