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caseymoz

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36. No animal makes a sweeping change like that without necessity.
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 09:51 AM
Dec 2012

None. Your article invalidates nothing I said. You have no sense of relevance. The "spread" of agriculture from a Southern European migration (which your article is so certain of it calls an "indication," so you're starting out weak) could have coincided with just the event that I was talking about. The reason why the proto-Europeans were able to spread their genes was because they were more successful than the hunter-gatherers whose food source had dwindled. This made the H-G methods obsolete in the environment.

Besides, your article only pertains to Europeans.

Again, without necessity, there was nothing to recommend early agriculture. Nothing. Those proto-Europeans must have been very persuasive to spread their lifestyle to hunter-gatherer tribes. This is hard to fanthom since those tribes could have kicked their asses given the difference in physical health-- provided that they were continuing to be healthy.

Agriculture was a very logical outcome of hunter-gathering existence. As game became scarce, the "gathering" part became more and more important and sophisticated. People only have to take a small step from harvesting certain plants for food to planting the seeds. Then, people figured out what was needed to make the seeds grow more successfully, and they protected them from predators. Agriculture started as foraging.

I'll repeat, a bunch of native species went extinct due to human hunting. It was not environmentally friendly. The most dramatic die off is seen in North America. When humans arrived there armed with arrows, spears, clubs, axes, rocks, and an unprecedented ability to coordinate a hunt, a whole slew of larger fauna went extinct. Now this is indicative, circumstantial evidence, but it's also emphatic.

Your POV isn't based on anything factual. It's based on misanthropy. I can see holding the people to blame for continued environmental wreckage responsible. The whole human species, though? No. Nothing is served if humankind goes extinct. Not justice, not anything else except some people's self- and fellow-hatred. Hatred being self-canceling, that means that, actually, nothing is served.

To tell you the truth, I don't care fucking Earth falls into the sun if humankind goes extinct.



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