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PurityOfEssence

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22. Gainsaying flak
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 06:13 PM
Jan 2012

Her contention is that "the Libyans" were overwhelmingly against Qaddafi to such an extent that their opinion is effectively unified. That's just hogwash, and pointing out the inability of their insurrection to survive without massive assistance is a legitimate argument to sustain that, don't you think?

To constantly pat oneself on the back and repeat the party line that everyone hated him is simply not sustained by reality, and to continually make fatuous proclamations about what "they" want, as if they're a homogeneous group, is deceptive, incorrect and self-aggrandizing.

Are you seriously going to contend that less people were killed in our on-the-cheap bit of imperialism than would have if he'd been left alone to reclaim Benghazi, Derna and Tobruk? None of us knows, but the interventionists have a sickening habit of having all the answers and stacking hypothetical deaths against actual ones.

Qaddafi was no saint, but he did do many good things for his people and for sub-saharan Africa. I'm sure the average darker-hued Libyan would have a thing or three to say about that.

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No, but they are not going to accept anything other than what they fought for. tabatha Jan 2012 #1
Those are valid points... ellisonz Jan 2012 #3
Yeah, as was said from the start, Libyan self-determination above all else. joshcryer Jan 2012 #4
"Carting off computers and office furniture" is, I would say, a very strong indication Fool Count Jan 2012 #25
Do those videos below make the protesters look any "scarier" than Wisconsinites? joshcryer Jan 2012 #31
Video of the event: joshcryer Jan 2012 #2
More on the "grenade": joshcryer Jan 2012 #5
Interesting... ellisonz Jan 2012 #6
I wonder why this is happening.. Gigibagigi Jan 2012 #7
The NTC is trying to take the reconciliation path, by including people who worked for Gaddafi tabatha Jan 2012 #8
Free elections Gigibagigi Jan 2012 #9
Well, we have not gone through what they have gone through. tabatha Jan 2012 #10
My main focus is watching the women protestors, they want 50% quota representation. joshcryer Jan 2012 #11
They have removed the quota. tabatha Jan 2012 #13
Sorry, you are correct, and I saw that, my mistake. joshcryer Jan 2012 #15
The South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission was of little concrete value. fasttense Jan 2012 #12
The problem was with Mbeki who believed in Thatcherism. tabatha Jan 2012 #14
Please stop calling certain factions "the Libyans" PurityOfEssence Jan 2012 #18
Non-sense. ellisonz Jan 2012 #19
Gainsaying flak PurityOfEssence Jan 2012 #22
Really? ellisonz Jan 2012 #24
Yes. Really. PurityOfEssence Jan 2012 #26
Hah... ellisonz Jan 2012 #27
You're seriously pushing Gaddafi's "million man march" picture? joshcryer Jan 2012 #28
More like: joshcryer Jan 2012 #29
Voting is in June I think, I can't remember the exact date. joshcryer Jan 2012 #30
Maybe Gigibagigi Jan 2012 #33
Clearly, we should be bombing the NTC. harmonicon Jan 2012 #16
Have the NTC bombed the protesters? tabatha Jan 2012 #17
Yes, they have done those things. harmonicon Jan 2012 #20
What do you think happens if NATO doesn't intervene? ellisonz Jan 2012 #21
"the forced silence of people living under autocrats should never have been mistaken for popular pampango Jan 2012 #23
Thank you for that important HRW report. joshcryer Jan 2012 #32
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