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In reply to the discussion: Donald Trump Suffers Huge Vote Against Him in Pennsylvania Primary [View all]BumRushDaShow
(170,963 posts)65. More need to educate
No one is claiming he's immune. It's just being consistent.
The MSM media narratives have NEVER been "consistent". They continually focus on who would take votes away from Biden and ignore who would take votes away from 45.
It was to the point where they insisted, all the way up until about last week, that "Bob" (RFK Jr), despite being antivax and sympathizing with the J6 insurrectionists (which would attract 45-followers, is a case in point) would pull votes from Biden. They finally conceded that the opposite would happen.
Trump barely did worse than Biden in his primary and yet everyone is jumping for joy in this thread like it somehow means he's bleeding out support.
The reality is that if we're setting parameters on what constitutes bad showings, we're also adding Biden to that list because there have been a handful of states - including some important ones - where he's faced a fairly sizable opposing vote.
My point? I think people are reading too much into the primaries. They're not relevant. They don't prove anything. Trump likely winning Pennsylvania with 84% means nothing more or less than Biden winning it with 88%.
The reality is that if we're setting parameters on what constitutes bad showings, we're also adding Biden to that list because there have been a handful of states - including some important ones - where he's faced a fairly sizable opposing vote.
My point? I think people are reading too much into the primaries. They're not relevant. They don't prove anything. Trump likely winning Pennsylvania with 84% means nothing more or less than Biden winning it with 88%.
And MY POINT has been to look at what was pounded out by the pundits over the past couple election cycles about "enthusiasm". And when it comes to the GOP and what is obviously a waning enthusiasm like in yesterday's election here in PA, that is ignored. But they will pummel any Democrat that had such a result.
And if you think Trump received a huge vote against him, you've got to concede Biden kinda did too. 123,757 Democrats so far have voted for someone other than Biden. 157,136 Republicans voted for someone other than Trump. Not that dissimilar. If it's a problem for Trump, it's a problem for Biden.
But I don't think it's relevant either way.
But I don't think it's relevant either way.
Not sure where you are getting the numbers but here are the results here in PA (screenshot below taken earlier today) - https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/

68,564 voted "against Biden" (and for Phillips) here in PA, NOT "123,757".
157,126 voted "against 45" (and for Haley) here in PA.
That's it. And using primaries as 'gotcha' kinda narratives I think can go both ways. Trust me. I didn't like it when the media ran up the flag pole this idea that Biden was dead to rights in Michigan because 145,000 Michigan Democrats voted for someone other than Biden.
It's not "it" when you have a different set of numbers than the state of PA has on its website. The numbers have updated a bit since the screenshot was taken (by a couple hundred votes) but not enough to come up with you claim. Remember that PA is a "closed primary" state so no "unaffiliated" can vote in our primary.
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Donald Trump Suffers Huge Vote Against Him in Pennsylvania Primary [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Apr 2024
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or worse, I could see him offering her his VP slot, and her accepting it. I don't trust any republican. Power is the
JohnSJ
Apr 2024
#11
You might be right, but I wouldn't put it past her. For his deplorable party, it would represent a "unity" ticket, with
JohnSJ
Apr 2024
#15
No Dems will vote for McCormack, we need to worry about the independents though
FakeNoose
Apr 2024
#29
Hopefully abortion and labor will get the Dems and Indies out for Casey...
Wounded Bear
Apr 2024
#30
He's one of the "business" types that you normally see running for office in Jersey
BumRushDaShow
Apr 2024
#67
A couple weeks ago the Pennsylvania GOP was gloating about a surge in voter registrations.
tanyev
Apr 2024
#9
"Looks like a lot of the new registrations signed up to vote against their candidate. "
BumRushDaShow
Apr 2024
#18
Since you refuse to read my posts, I am going to pay you the same curtesy. I ain't reading that.
Pretty Fly
Apr 2024
#63
If 10-16% is considered a big protest vote, then it's happening to Biden too.
Pretty Fly
Apr 2024
#47
The MSM, along with the majority of polls and political wags cannot parse that this will be a very different election.
Ford_Prefect
Apr 2024
#20
At this time, I think the media has determined Haley is the heir apparent to the GOP dynasty.........of disasters.
jaxexpat
Apr 2024
#43
156,950 Republicans voted against Donald Trump In yesterday's GOP primary in the battleground state of Pennsylvania
LetMyPeopleVote
Apr 2024
#33
Generally, it's hard to win the WH with less than 90% in ones own party base...
Wounded Bear
Apr 2024
#35
Can you imagine the headlines if Biden was only pulling 83% of the vote? NT
Happy Hoosier
Apr 2024
#38
"best that could be hoped for is that they sit at home come election day."
BumRushDaShow
Apr 2024
#57