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33. Look, I don't know why I let myself get into this, BUT

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:40 PM

Dec 2012

1. Giving land in Palestine to European - global - Jews makes as much sense as giving my house and land back to the Indians. In fact it probably makes MORE sense to give MY stuff back to the Indians, as they were there "only" about 150 years ago.

2. Why wouldn't the Palestinians resent the loss of control-ownership of their homes and land?

3. The aggressive posture of the Israeli government has cost it the support of folks like me, who once were almost TOTALLY sympathetic to the "cause" of Israel. BECAUSE of this aggressive posture I started to educate myself about the history of the Palestinians, and that education taught me that the Palestinians HAVE been unjustly forced off of their land.

4. I don't believe any god gave anything to anyone.
Ms. Bigmack

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That poll was bogus, King_David Dec 2012 #19

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Nah, King_David Dec 2012 #41

I can read election results. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #60

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A majority of votes were for Netanyahu and those to his right. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #97

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More than half of Israeli voters voted for a right wing party. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #100

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Changing the goalposts King_David Dec 2012 #42

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Gideon Levy was forced to apologize King_David Dec 2012 #55

see comment #63 for Gideon Levy's 'retraction' which was not a retraction of the entire poll as you azurnoir Dec 2012 #64

So what was Levy's apology all about then ? King_David Dec 2012 #72

as stated in the snip he corrected one error and it was not about apartheid azurnoir Dec 2012 #136

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So what did Levy apologize for ? King_David Dec 2012 #71

It's already been explained to you several times. I hope you read it this time... Violet_Crumble Dec 2012 #73

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okay a right wing Israeli news paper and a gross misreprentation of Gideon Levy's so called retracti azurnoir Dec 2012 #63

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genocide, really magical thyme Dec 2012 #16

genocide ? King_David Dec 2012 #20

I agree. Using a word like "genocide" is ridiculous. virgogal Dec 2012 #24

How about land? That keep pace with population growth? Paulie Dec 2012 #45

How anout Genocide ? nt King_David Dec 2012 #56

Not happening today Paulie Dec 2012 #57

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Your post shows you don't know what Zionism or fascism are. former9thward Dec 2012 #14

The Palestinian people are Semites too, you know. magical thyme Dec 2012 #17

The term antisemitism applies only to Jews,and not other semitic peoples. Let me help you out here , King_David Dec 2012 #26

Why the semantic acrobatics? The Stranger Dec 2012 #108

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Zionist apologist? King_David Dec 2012 #126

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Sorry THAT is not up for debate, nt King_David Dec 2012 #144

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The Democratic Party and its rank and file and Reps King_David Dec 2012 #146

You have no argument cpwm17 Dec 2012 #147

You have made your views on Jews and Zionists abundantly clear King_David Dec 2012 #149

You've got nothing cpwm17 Dec 2012 #150

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Your support for the Palestinian Nakba isn't pretty cpwm17 Dec 2012 #155

LOL did you read what I said about being an Atheist ? King_David Dec 2012 #156

From your post above: cpwm17 Dec 2012 #159

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Thank you for the truth, cpwm17 Carolina Dec 2012 #163

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Someone who says Zionism equals fascism is not on my side. former9thward Dec 2012 #27

At one point Zionism was compatible with democracy. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #31

Fascism, Zionism, Democracy 1ProudAtheist Dec 2012 #35

What does criticism of billh58 Dec 2012 #30

The poster did not say anything of that now did they? former9thward Dec 2012 #59

Cheap shot accusations of anti-semitism. How boring. And how predictable. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #44

Just as predictable as your anti-Israel rants, right? former9thward Dec 2012 #58

Unlike you rabid Zionists, I don't falsely accuse others of being racists. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #96

I beg to differ Stewland Dec 2012 #169

No you got it wrong, Here let me help you out, King_David Dec 2012 #21

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`Europeans` King_David Dec 2012 #43

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Shas isn't a religious party? They're in the current government... Violet_Crumble Dec 2012 #68

That is "Many". ? nt King_David Dec 2012 #70

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Let me help you out following this thread can be difficult , King_David Dec 2012 #75

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"Most Israeli Jews are secular atheists?" geek tragedy Dec 2012 #83

'But, they are all united in their hate of Arabs and especially Palestinians' King_David Dec 2012 #128

well said... the argument is twisted fascisthunter Dec 2012 #49

Same here. It's only a matter of time before Israel alienates the majority of Americans. Walk away Dec 2012 #112

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Why should he pretend to change his views? King_David Dec 2012 #133

That word... slackmaster Dec 2012 #90

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Fascinating that you choose a Nazi-era German term oberliner Dec 2012 #40

Seems painfully apt. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #46

the notion that victims of abuse become abusers themselves... Odin2005 Dec 2012 #48

Most Israelis are not victims of any abuse oberliner Dec 2012 #79

So spell it out for those of us who do not understand this 'analogy' King_David Dec 2012 #62

Comparing Israelis to Nazis? oberliner Dec 2012 #80

If the shoe fits... Odin2005 Dec 2012 #47

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Can a Jew marry a Muslim in Israel? geek tragedy Dec 2012 #93

Not legally oberliner Dec 2012 #131

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Palestinian citizens of Israel can vote in Israel oberliner Dec 2012 #132

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So that one was true but the other one is a lie? oberliner Dec 2012 #124

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They are both recent quotes oberliner Dec 2012 #127

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The jackboot of oppression? oberliner Dec 2012 #92

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Israel and Syria are also technically at war hack89 Dec 2012 #110

Because Israel isn't going to give them back the Golan. The Stranger Dec 2012 #135

Kind of moot at the moment anyway hack89 Dec 2012 #138

For what? They're not going to get their land back, even you make that clear. The Stranger Dec 2012 #153

No - I never said they would never get their land back. hack89 Dec 2012 #154

The Sinai was 30 years ago. That's a couple decades more than enough time for Israel to withdraw The Stranger Dec 2012 #157

Did you miss the part about a peace treaty? hack89 Dec 2012 #158

Yeah, I seem to remember a peace treaty. That was 30 years ago as well. The Stranger Dec 2012 #161

Wars end with peace treaties. hack89 Dec 2012 #162

Link to the international law you cite. The Stranger Dec 2012 #165

WWII ended with treaties with all parties hack89 Dec 2012 #166

Link to the international law you cite. The Stranger Dec 2012 #167

Wars don't end until the participants end them hack89 Dec 2012 #168

Link to the international law you cite. The Stranger Dec 2012 #171

"There is no requirement in international law..." hack89 Dec 2012 #172

Link to the international law you cite. The Stranger Dec 2012 #173

"international law does not say ..." hack89 Dec 2012 #174

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The Middle East chicken-and-egg blame game marches on slackmaster Dec 2012 #89

Eventually, yes. Israel is doing us a favor by stopping its charade. nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #101

They were only announcing what they had on the books before the current conflict Hydra Dec 2012 #117

The standard US Israel/Palestine playbook: geek tragedy Dec 2012 #120

Means to an end Hydra Dec 2012 #123

thank you Carolina Dec 2012 #164

What kind of idiot still thinks these people want peace? harun Dec 2012 #104

The ones invested in the PR for this rather ugly operation Hydra Dec 2012 #119

One land, two peoples, two realities, two truths/lies need kiranon Dec 2012 #175