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In reply to the discussion: Father will be reunited with baby adopted without his knowledge, judge rules [View all]Lionessa
(3,894 posts)and what I've said is that it appears the mother committed the fraud.
I don't think the agency or the adoptive parents should be considered criminals as they may well have been acting in what they were convinced by the mother was in the best interest of herself and the child. She scammed them, I don't think the manner by which the agency behaved in refusing to give out adoptive information till the courts required it is a bad thing, the mother's misinformation was the bad/fraudulent thing, from what I know now.
Should the mother or the agency or the adoptive parents shed more light from their perspective, I may change my mind again. At this point it appears the mother is 100% responsible for any crime or fraud relating to the father not being properly attended regarding the adoption.
The idea to which I was responding was the idea that ALL fathers, married or not, abusive or not, whatever had 100% right to be included in any decision a woman makes in regards to adoption. I do not believe that. Nor could I flatly say that all married men should necessarily know or be included, though I feel that's a pretty bright line, some circumstances would have me leaning over that line, like proven abuse of the wife or other children.