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AloeVera

(4,266 posts)
43. Poppycock and balderdash.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 07:29 PM
Aug 2024
Hamas has no interest whatever in cessation of Israeli military action in Gaza.


I can't say what is more important to them, freedom for their people as they claim, or maintaining their power. But I'm fairly certain none of them either want to die or want their people to die. I don't demonize people or religions that way, the rank-and-file having nothing to do with Oct 7th, let alone the 2 million civilians - celebrations over dead hostages by a few hundred or thousand notwithstanding.

You can't ignore the facts which disprove your argument. Hamas offered the hostages back - in October - in return for a ceasefire. Hamas accepted the recent Biden framework. Netanyahu did not, added new conditions and then assassinated the chief negotiator.

As well, you can't seriously believe that Hamas wanted Gaza made into a graveyard with the intention of ruling over nothing but ashes and dirt and their surviving people made into starving, utterly dispossessed beggars.

Seems to me this bitterly sarcastic argument about martyrdom and Paradise, with aspersions of Jew-hate thrown in, is the last gasp of staunch believers who just can't face the truth of what should be clear to them by now. Not just Gaza, look at the West Bank if you doubt what the broader goals are and why a ceasefire doesn't fit into those plans.

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Netanyahu is a jackass. While the attack against Hezbollah was understandable as JohnSJ Aug 2024 #1
Agree, I'm convinced he's a Putin level Despot. This has gone beyond the barbarism of 10/7 Cheezoholic Aug 2024 #2
Seems like he just wants to stay in power wolfie001 Aug 2024 #4
No he didn't. former9thward Aug 2024 #5
My bad. lol. He attempted and still is trying to wolfie001 Aug 2024 #19
You are talking about Sinwar, right? Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #21
Is that Netty's first name? Thanks. Didn't know wolfie001 Aug 2024 #22
So you are not talking about Sinwar. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #27
He's a horrific murderer just like his predecessor wolfie001 Aug 2024 #31
It appears I was right. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #33
Wait, what? wolfie001 Aug 2024 #34
Seems like you left half of what you always felt out of your Post#4 Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #46
I agree! It was sabotage. AloeVera Aug 2024 #7
There Are No 'Moderates' In Hamas The Magistrate Aug 2024 #11
Poppycock and balderdash. AloeVera Aug 2024 #43
And Accurate.... The Magistrate Aug 2024 #44
What blinders are you wearing, I'd like some too, for an easier life. AloeVera Aug 2024 #47
It's The Thought That Counts.... The Magistrate Aug 2024 #50
I suppose... AloeVera Aug 2024 #54
"But I'm fairly certain none of them either want to die or want their people to die" EX500rider Aug 2024 #70
Show me the evidence of a command post in a school or hospital. AloeVera Aug 2024 #71
There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not To See The Magistrate Aug 2024 #72
I feel the same way about your side, oddly. AloeVera Aug 2024 #83
But You Do Defend It The Magistrate Aug 2024 #84
One of Bibi's lies is that Hamas is ISIS. It's a self-serving and dangerous lie. AloeVera Aug 2024 #86
Do, Please, Instruct Me Further, Dear, My Ignorance Is Legend The Magistrate Aug 2024 #87
Enjoy your day off. AloeVera Aug 2024 #88
'Day Off'? The Magistrate Aug 2024 #93
Lol. I'm retired. AloeVera Aug 2024 #95
I Take Amusement Where I Find It... The Magistrate Aug 2024 #97
Which God would that be ? Israeli Aug 2024 #99
Goddess, Goodness, Force for Good. AloeVera Aug 2024 #102
Hamas is secular Israeli Aug 2024 #91
Ok I admit that is funny. AloeVera Aug 2024 #94
This is funny Israeli Aug 2024 #96
The part... AloeVera Aug 2024 #103
National Liberation Being Defined As Killing And Expelling Jews On The Aspiring Nation's Territory The Magistrate Aug 2024 #98
Well, this is not 1947-48 anymore. AloeVera Aug 2024 #104
No, It Is 2024, Some Months After --- What Was It Called? --- Yes, 'al Aqsa Flood', That Was It The Magistrate Aug 2024 #105
Yup Israeli Aug 2024 #90
There used to be a time when UN openly reported on their schools and hospitals being used by Hamas Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #73
Please, about the only place Hamas stores weapons and has HQ's is under schools/hospitals/homes/UN facilities EX500rider Aug 2024 #74
"It's All Lies! Lies Against My Boys!" The Magistrate Aug 2024 #75
It's not evidence!! AloeVera Aug 2024 #78
Well you can either trust the IDF when they said they found it or Hamas when they said they didn't EX500rider Aug 2024 #79
Since you asked... AloeVera Aug 2024 #81
Seriously... show me a single international press article or a UN report that includes evidence of Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #85
I wish I could accurately express my thoughts on your posts toesonthenose Aug 2024 #67
Haniyeh was directly involved in the planning of the Oct 7th mass murders. former9thward Aug 2024 #9
In other words, f**k the hostages, don't bother with any ceasefire talks, and continue to bomb Gaza back to the stone JohnSJ Aug 2024 #23
Hamas has had no intention of releasing any more hostages unless Israel surrenders. former9thward Aug 2024 #28
They are still bombing Gaza. As for your question what Hamas demand should Israel agree to? The same one President JohnSJ Aug 2024 #32
Hamas refuses both. former9thward Aug 2024 #40
I wasn't in those negotiations, were you? President Biden sure gave a different impression. Are you saying he was JohnSJ Aug 2024 #42
That is an outright falsehood. AloeVera Aug 2024 #49
You can't. former9thward Aug 2024 #53
Israel is never going to surrender. There is no need for Israel to surrender. PufPuf23 Aug 2024 #48
I believe what people say. former9thward Aug 2024 #52
Surrender? iemanja Aug 2024 #56
I guess you don't know the Hamas program. former9thward Aug 2024 #57
That is not what they are demanding in negotiations iemanja Aug 2024 #58
Do you support the Hamas position? former9thward Aug 2024 #68
Of course not iemanja Aug 2024 #76
Thank you for your concern. former9thward Aug 2024 #77
If you ever find me posting a lie iemanja Aug 2024 #82
Which would be a TOS violation -- a personal attack. former9thward Aug 2024 #89
Pointing out facts is acceptable iemanja Aug 2024 #100
Oh wow . . . Richard D Aug 2024 #15
praying iemanja Aug 2024 #35
My poor head . . . Richard D Aug 2024 #41
In a post about one living despot replacing another dead despot, is this all that comes to mind? Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #20
I've never seen anything like this. The deflection is astounding. yardwork Aug 2024 #63
That's silly BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #59
Keep in mind that "For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas".... AntiFascist Aug 2024 #80
"For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas" EX500rider Aug 2024 #92
The bottom line is that Netanyahu opposes a two-state solution, Biden and Harris both support it n/t AntiFascist Aug 2024 #101
That's a different statement than having to deal with the reality of who's in charge in Gaza EX500rider Aug 2024 #106
If He's Still In Gaza, This Is Promoting von Paulus To Field Marshall In Sralingrad Once The Pincers Closed The Magistrate Aug 2024 #3
he isn't i gaza - none of the leaders are.... they left before the attack on 10/7 getagrip_already Aug 2024 #6
It's Widely Claimed That He Is The Magistrate Aug 2024 #8
obviously we don't know, but it is in their interests to make israel believe he is.... getagrip_already Aug 2024 #10
Peace is neither Hamas nor Israel's goal iemanja Aug 2024 #26
agree, I should have been clearer.... getagrip_already Aug 2024 #29
Agreed. iemanja Aug 2024 #30
The article says he is in Gaza. iemanja Aug 2024 #13
the press says a lot of things..... getagrip_already Aug 2024 #14
Did you witness him in Qatar? iemanja Aug 2024 #16
you can't prove a negative.... getagrip_already Aug 2024 #17
I am not lecturing you iemanja Aug 2024 #24
I don't need it, the AP does...... nt getagrip_already Aug 2024 #25
Video emerged of him in Gaza a few months ago LeftInTX Aug 2024 #60
Interesting approach. maxsolomon Aug 2024 #12
10, 9 ,8, 7, 6 . . . (nt) Richard D Aug 2024 #18
The New Yorker did a deep dive on Sinwar lapucelle Aug 2024 #36
The media is going to struggle with this. Mosby Aug 2024 #37
Wherever he is he'll eventually be found like Bin Laden was and dealt with. cstanleytech Aug 2024 #38
Wrong thread kelly1mm Aug 2024 #39
Somehow that feels like it's going to push buttons. truthisfreedom Aug 2024 #45
Dead man walking . . . Richard D Aug 2024 #51
His CV (from twitter) Mosby Aug 2024 #55
He ugly. He the face of Hamas. LeftInTX Aug 2024 #61
That's a great idea Turbineguy Aug 2024 #62
Hint for friends and family of Yahya Sinwar do not stand to close to him Botany Aug 2024 #64
I like Tim Walz better prodigitalson Aug 2024 #65
Me too! iemanja Aug 2024 #66
Find him and take him out Mysterian Aug 2024 #69
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