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In reply to the discussion: Hamas says it has chosen Yahya Sinwar, mastermind of the Oct. 7 attacks, as its new leader [View all]AloeVera
(4,266 posts)43. Poppycock and balderdash.
Hamas has no interest whatever in cessation of Israeli military action in Gaza.
I can't say what is more important to them, freedom for their people as they claim, or maintaining their power. But I'm fairly certain none of them either want to die or want their people to die. I don't demonize people or religions that way, the rank-and-file having nothing to do with Oct 7th, let alone the 2 million civilians - celebrations over dead hostages by a few hundred or thousand notwithstanding.
You can't ignore the facts which disprove your argument. Hamas offered the hostages back - in October - in return for a ceasefire. Hamas accepted the recent Biden framework. Netanyahu did not, added new conditions and then assassinated the chief negotiator.
As well, you can't seriously believe that Hamas wanted Gaza made into a graveyard with the intention of ruling over nothing but ashes and dirt and their surviving people made into starving, utterly dispossessed beggars.
Seems to me this bitterly sarcastic argument about martyrdom and Paradise, with aspersions of Jew-hate thrown in, is the last gasp of staunch believers who just can't face the truth of what should be clear to them by now. Not just Gaza, look at the West Bank if you doubt what the broader goals are and why a ceasefire doesn't fit into those plans.
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Hamas says it has chosen Yahya Sinwar, mastermind of the Oct. 7 attacks, as its new leader [View all]
iemanja
Aug 2024
OP
Agree, I'm convinced he's a Putin level Despot. This has gone beyond the barbarism of 10/7
Cheezoholic
Aug 2024
#2
"But I'm fairly certain none of them either want to die or want their people to die"
EX500rider
Aug 2024
#70
One of Bibi's lies is that Hamas is ISIS. It's a self-serving and dangerous lie.
AloeVera
Aug 2024
#86
National Liberation Being Defined As Killing And Expelling Jews On The Aspiring Nation's Territory
The Magistrate
Aug 2024
#98
No, It Is 2024, Some Months After --- What Was It Called? --- Yes, 'al Aqsa Flood', That Was It
The Magistrate
Aug 2024
#105
There used to be a time when UN openly reported on their schools and hospitals being used by Hamas
Beastly Boy
Aug 2024
#73
Please, about the only place Hamas stores weapons and has HQ's is under schools/hospitals/homes/UN facilities
EX500rider
Aug 2024
#74
Well you can either trust the IDF when they said they found it or Hamas when they said they didn't
EX500rider
Aug 2024
#79
Seriously... show me a single international press article or a UN report that includes evidence of
Beastly Boy
Aug 2024
#85
Haniyeh was directly involved in the planning of the Oct 7th mass murders.
former9thward
Aug 2024
#9
In other words, f**k the hostages, don't bother with any ceasefire talks, and continue to bomb Gaza back to the stone
JohnSJ
Aug 2024
#23
Hamas has had no intention of releasing any more hostages unless Israel surrenders.
former9thward
Aug 2024
#28
They are still bombing Gaza. As for your question what Hamas demand should Israel agree to? The same one President
JohnSJ
Aug 2024
#32
I wasn't in those negotiations, were you? President Biden sure gave a different impression. Are you saying he was
JohnSJ
Aug 2024
#42
In a post about one living despot replacing another dead despot, is this all that comes to mind?
Beastly Boy
Aug 2024
#20
The bottom line is that Netanyahu opposes a two-state solution, Biden and Harris both support it n/t
AntiFascist
Aug 2024
#101
That's a different statement than having to deal with the reality of who's in charge in Gaza
EX500rider
Aug 2024
#106
If He's Still In Gaza, This Is Promoting von Paulus To Field Marshall In Sralingrad Once The Pincers Closed
The Magistrate
Aug 2024
#3
he isn't i gaza - none of the leaders are.... they left before the attack on 10/7
getagrip_already
Aug 2024
#6
obviously we don't know, but it is in their interests to make israel believe he is....
getagrip_already
Aug 2024
#10
Wherever he is he'll eventually be found like Bin Laden was and dealt with.
cstanleytech
Aug 2024
#38