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4. This is absolute garbage.

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 07:47 PM

Dec 2012

That’s not a policy I like much, but New York magazine’s Jonathan Chait accurately conveys the White House thinking here: They see it as having “weirdly disproportionate symbolic power,” as it’s not a huge (or smart) cut to Medicare benefits, and most of the pain will be blunted by the Affordable Care Act. But Republicans and self-styled deficit hawks see it as a big win. And Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who staunchly opposes raising the retirement age, has stopped well short of ruling it out.

It's Ezra Klein pushing Chait's idiotic idea.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1941503

Greg Sargent has a better read on Boehner's position:

John Boehner nervously eyes the clock
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021941791

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The fiscal cliff deal comes clearer: a 37% top tax rate and a higher Medicare eligibility age [View all] Recursion Dec 2012 OP

37%? sadbear Dec 2012 #1

35% Recursion Dec 2012 #2

How will the job providers survive with this massive 2% tax hike? Ash_F Dec 2012 #8

It's not about the job providers, but the job creators. AAO Dec 2012 #48

Good point. Ash_F Dec 2012 #57

You know it's not because I'm smarter than they are! AAO Dec 2012 #71

That is completely unacceptable dsc Dec 2012 #3

Don't overlook this nugget: Myrina Dec 2012 #13

More like higher co-pays AND deductibles Lasher Dec 2012 #45

How does it raise the cost of Medicare? thesquanderer Dec 2012 #53

Contracting the pool curlyred Dec 2012 #70

Screw that deal - off the cliff is better ItsTheMediaStupid Dec 2012 #56

FUCK'n "A" !!! AAO Dec 2012 #73

Yeah. Why are we even discussing this? They are over a barrel. Let's just roll it over the cliff. Squinch Dec 2012 #82

I agree... INdemo Dec 2012 #65

This is absolute garbage. ProSense Dec 2012 #4

No progressive should support this. David__77 Dec 2012 #5

Good cop Bad cop aandegoons Dec 2012 #6

The suckers? That would be the middle class. fleur-de-lisa Dec 2012 #47

Repeal on tax deduction for donations to churches itsrobert Dec 2012 #7

Not sure that would be Constitutional democrattotheend Dec 2012 #20

The thing is, most churches don't really do much in the way of real "charity" - functionally, kath Dec 2012 #46

I think that most churches do perform a lot of charitable work ItsTheMediaStupid Dec 2012 #55

Definitely not the case for my synagogue democrattotheend Dec 2012 #78

If the repeal is ONLY for CHURCHES, I too would support that. 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #34

ACA blunting the effects of higher Medicare age BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #9

Not going to happen cosmicone Dec 2012 #10

... and you know that, how exactly? Myrina Dec 2012 #19

Err.. he's said SS is off of the table Recursion Dec 2012 #27

Right now there is an option for "early" SS retirement, at 62. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #44

A Medicare eligibility age rises from 65 to 67 will end President Obama's mandate for anything else Walk away Dec 2012 #11

Sort of like anybody who raised SS eligibility from 65 to 67 would be politically dead forever? Recursion Dec 2012 #15

In my book they would be. You really do start to tire when you hit your late 50s. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #28

I think you missed Recursion's point thesquanderer Dec 2012 #51

It's gradual - I'm waiting to 66. AAO Dec 2012 #63

A tax trick may also be used to reduce Social Security benefits. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #12

I predicted something like this a few days ago democrattotheend Dec 2012 #14

Agreed: this has to include something like the McConnell plan Recursion Dec 2012 #18

Raising Medicare age will keep older workers from retiring splat Dec 2012 #16

Employers are already letting older workers go in droves. This just LibDemAlways Dec 2012 #24

Exactly nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #54

Iam 64 and not working HockeyMom Dec 2012 #79

I think it will be slightly different ... Myrina Dec 2012 #26

The raising the Medicare eligibility age part is bullshit. There are already too LibDemAlways Dec 2012 #17

ACA will help that, somewhat Recursion Dec 2012 #21

Bullshit. Raising the eligibility age would cost, not save, money. Scuba Dec 2012 #33

Of course it would, but the cost would be shifted to employers and individuals Recursion Dec 2012 #41

A top rate of 37% is a win for the Republicans (they get to keep most of the Bush tax cuts geek tragedy Dec 2012 #60

Why must we do "some of it"? There's lots of places to get money besides stealing it .... Scuba Dec 2012 #75

Sure, after they lose their home. Walk away Dec 2012 #61

NO ONE campaigned on raising the Medicare eligibility age, NO FUCKING DEAL! Firebrand Gary Dec 2012 #22

Nobody campaigned against it either democrattotheend Dec 2012 #25

* DJ13 Dec 2012 #23

Social Security has already been lowered Disconnect Dec 2012 #29

I read the article ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #30

If they raise Medicare to 67, I'll never vote for a Dem again! Coyotl Dec 2012 #31

Cool story, bro Recursion Dec 2012 #32

I'm not only dead serious, I'll likely be dead and unable to vote. Coyotl Dec 2012 #38

Neither will I. Might as well just hit myself with a hammer. forestpath Dec 2012 #50

Totally unacceptable, such a plan will be met with millions in the streets. Scuba Dec 2012 #35

No, it really won't Recursion Dec 2012 #42

Apocolypse for those recently disabled and over 50 kickysnana Dec 2012 #36

In two decades when the age increase comes into effect, Medicaid will be expanded Recursion Dec 2012 #43

716 Billion, 716 Billion, 716 Billion, 716 Billion, 716 Billion....... Firebrand Gary Dec 2012 #37

This is speculation, not news. A complete disaster if true though. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #39

Why would any Dem in Washington be interested in giving the Republicans a win? Scuba Dec 2012 #40

This would be a complete betrayal as far as I'm concerned. forestpath Dec 2012 #49

This is great abelenkpe Dec 2012 #52

For what it's worth, this is not breaking news OKNancy Dec 2012 #58

Fuck that wryter2000 Dec 2012 #59

This would be a slap in the face to all of us. No deal gets us 39%!!!!! grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #62

Krugman: I Hope This Isn’t True ProSense Dec 2012 #64

"cost-sharing and decreases in provider payments" = YOU GET FUCKING SCREWED! n/t Fearless Dec 2012 #66

Sorry, but increasing Medicare eligibility age will kill people Mass Dec 2012 #67

Keeping it where it is will kill people. Recursion Dec 2012 #74

"Proposed in July 2011" Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #68

If it's true Teamster Jeff Dec 2012 #69

it reads like a sellout, if that's the case. stupidicus Dec 2012 #72

What sucks is we have to just wait it out, hope AAO Dec 2012 #77

Give me the cliff... defacto7 Dec 2012 #76

This is what I figured would happen. joshcryer Dec 2012 #80

Locking, not breaking news, but analysis, opinion Rhiannon12866 Dec 2012 #81