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In reply to the discussion: National Anti-Fracking Group Launched... [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)48. He doesn't need to convince you. Economics has convinced him. I'm not apologizing, just explaining
what we're up against in this battle, as some of these people are afraid and it translates into anger and denial.
As loudsue answered above:
28. Man. You're waaaayyyyy off base.
I worked in the industry, and fell for all the bullshit about it being safe. I saw the harm it does. The whole thing.... industry and all... are full of bullshit. Fracking is NOT safe. The leasing that they do on the land is NOT equitable or morally right. The whole thing STINKS.
I tried to argue the case a while back to another poster, who said he was making a lot of money off of it, and so were a lot of others who had traveled to the boom towns built these facilities. Essentially, he told me that we didn't understand, and not to put him down, and to STFU.
Much environmental activism failed from not taking into account the sad fact people are invested in this in rural areas because they are not being offered alternatives. They work for big land owners and whoever with money comes into town. I worked with organizations against mining firms removing mountains.
The locals who worked for the companies were hostile and eventually got their way. There was no reasoning with them whatsoever. We explained all that was wrong, financially, morally, ecologically. It was all about their jobs. What do we offer them?
My only suggestion would be government funded jobs for building infrastructure. They need an alternative - we didn't give them one. While funds are held hostage as they have been for four years, people in rural areas will look to be saved by corporations that promise them a job.
We have to take a multi-level approach, to empower them to say not to fracking. That is not apologizing.
As loudsue answered above:
28. Man. You're waaaayyyyy off base.
I worked in the industry, and fell for all the bullshit about it being safe. I saw the harm it does. The whole thing.... industry and all... are full of bullshit. Fracking is NOT safe. The leasing that they do on the land is NOT equitable or morally right. The whole thing STINKS.
I tried to argue the case a while back to another poster, who said he was making a lot of money off of it, and so were a lot of others who had traveled to the boom towns built these facilities. Essentially, he told me that we didn't understand, and not to put him down, and to STFU.
Much environmental activism failed from not taking into account the sad fact people are invested in this in rural areas because they are not being offered alternatives. They work for big land owners and whoever with money comes into town. I worked with organizations against mining firms removing mountains.
The locals who worked for the companies were hostile and eventually got their way. There was no reasoning with them whatsoever. We explained all that was wrong, financially, morally, ecologically. It was all about their jobs. What do we offer them?
My only suggestion would be government funded jobs for building infrastructure. They need an alternative - we didn't give them one. While funds are held hostage as they have been for four years, people in rural areas will look to be saved by corporations that promise them a job.
We have to take a multi-level approach, to empower them to say not to fracking. That is not apologizing.
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There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that fracking fluids have EVER contaminated drinking water.
Indydem
Dec 2012
#24
"natural chemicals" that the industry won't reveal? Apparently, you work for the industry
wordpix
Dec 2012
#50
there's plenty of peer reviewed science on this and safe process? You gotta be kidding
wordpix
Dec 2012
#49
A flaming tap and a glass full of toxic water, and you might rethink that comment.
NEOBuckeye
Dec 2012
#6
There are perfectly normal and natural methane pockets that end up in aquifers.
Indydem
Dec 2012
#23
this guy from the film Gasland did not have his water ignite until fracking came to his 'hood
wordpix
Dec 2012
#47
You bet. From GD - "Bayou Frack-Out: The Massive Oil and Gas Disaster You’ve Never Heard Of"...
Indi Guy
Dec 2012
#36
DU has had many threads on fracking. The process is not new, but is a major polluter, IMO.
freshwest
Dec 2012
#12
Sound like good Democrats to me. When I was in the Young Democrats in college, we helped to organize
freshwest
Dec 2012
#15
I don't usually bother with people who are dismissive, call names and give no facts.
freshwest
Dec 2012
#56
I doubt it has, or will prove them wrong. Did you note the Calvin & Hobbes pic? That's what this is.
freshwest
Dec 2012
#42
He doesn't need to convince you. Economics has convinced him. I'm not apologizing, just explaining
freshwest
Dec 2012
#48
Looks good, I hope a LOT of people see this. And RFK, Jr. has my utmost respect on all issues.
freshwest
Dec 2012
#57
Many major reputations and credibility at stake there, not hit and run like some. nt
patrice
Dec 2012
#54
Let me suggest to you that the industry does not act with such caution, so why must people?
NEOBuckeye
Dec 2012
#19
Unfortunately the term "conservation" is foreign to today's "conservative" lexicon...
Indi Guy
Dec 2012
#71
Duke study finds “systematic evidence for methane contamination of drinking water associated with sh
limpyhobbler
Dec 2012
#65