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moniss

(9,150 posts)
33. Your seeming indication of some "shooting role"
Tue Oct 15, 2024, 12:54 PM
Oct 2024

to take away weapons from Hezbollah is nonsense and is contrary to what was negotiated by the parties purposely. Also you only indicate their role about violations relative to Hezbollah when in fact it encompasses all parties. Hezbollah is not the Lebanese government despite them having an influence and members of the parliament who are in line with their thinking. By your reasoning Kach and subsequently Otzma Yehudit as parties in government, although slight, and their reprehensible views (nobody believes Ben-Gvir changed his spots from his days of worshiping Kahane) are the state of Israel. The government of Lebanon has been struggling to strengthen and stand up a judiciary etc. and perhaps rather than point fingers Israel might, but of course won't, think about it's own role in creating the situation in Lebanon.

You selectively pick out parts of things and disregard others. The sophisticated capabilities are not massive weapons systems but rather intelligence and monitoring but it should be noted that despite what was discussed most of it never was approved. The point remains that the parties to 1701 by design and negotiation and the full desire and knowledge of all parties severely restricted what UNIFIL is to do when they become aware of violations. The parties pledged to "self correct" which any reasonably aware observer knew was simply nonsense and that the parties would simply continue to snipe and violate and deny. Which all of the parties have done. As I said the typical periodic reports through the years describe hundreds and hundreds of violations by Israeli personnel, jets and drones. Your advocacy for UNIFIL seems to stop short in wanting aggressive action against those violations. Indeed it is not difficult to find in the reports Israel taking purposeful steps to impede the patrol capabilities of UNIFIL along the Blue Line for example. Perhaps Israel should be asked about it's own years long history of willful violations of 1701.

The fact remains that UNIFIL is not authorized to go in and start shooting up the place. No matter how much you desire it or wish to selectively quote general statements of goals. It should be noted that in the periodic reports from UNIFIL and the Secretary General they do without hesitation list items that they are not able to make headway on or goals frustrated by actions of some and sometimes all parties. I can assure you that I find no such brevity forthcoming from the Israeli government about it's failures to make headway on preventing or addressing their constant violations of 1701 year after year. The encroachment north of the Blue Line with construction activities and refusal to cease the violation and withdraw back to the Israeli side of the Blue Line is but one example. If the Israeli government were truly so concerned about UNIFIL being able to operate then perhaps they shouldn't have purposely taken all of the rubble, boulders etc. and dumped them on the UNIFIL patrol road in the area they illegally encroached which prevented UNIFIL from passage.

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The same organization that reports the Hamas Gaza Government's casulty reports at 100% fact AZLD4Candidate Oct 2024 #1
Historically their numbers have proved accurate. Eko Oct 2024 #22
Lol, no they aren't NickB79 Oct 2024 #24
Not sure Tablet is a good source of information. Eko Oct 2024 #25
Vox has a left wing bias Mosby Oct 2024 #31
That was not "their own investigation" - your own source is quite clear about that muriel_volestrangler Oct 2024 #32
So you admit the BBC is biased? Mosby Oct 2024 #34
Your post title doesn't even deserve an answer. (nt) muriel_volestrangler Oct 2024 #35
That was not their own investigation, just read and follow the link. Eko Oct 2024 #37
ROFLMAO Israeli Oct 2024 #39
It's true. Mosby Oct 2024 #42
Nail on head Israeli Oct 2024 #38
Do you think your country should exist? Mosby Oct 2024 #41
3 of those were Israeli media sites and the last one,, well,,, Eko Oct 2024 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Oct 2024 #43
I guess Israel has the "right to defend herself" from the United Nations by gassing peacekeepers.. mountain grammy Oct 2024 #2
Those peacekeepers are doing a bang up job AZSkiffyGeek Oct 2024 #3
Oh ok. Then I guess it's ok to gas them mountain grammy Oct 2024 #4
Jury's out as to the origin of the rockets w/ gas. Igel Oct 2024 #6
You seem to be accusing Israel of the gassing, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2024 #14
"It did not say who fired the shells or what sort of toxic substance it suspected." Beastly Boy Oct 2024 #9
The rules of engagement moniss Oct 2024 #5
Should Lebanon be kicked out of the UN? Mosby Oct 2024 #28
Hezbollah sent the rockets not moniss Oct 2024 #29
Hezbollah is part of the government of Lebanon Mosby Oct 2024 #30
Your seeming indication of some "shooting role" moniss Oct 2024 #33
Role of Peacekeepers? manicdem Oct 2024 #7
From Oct 8th to late September, Israel killed about 10 times as many in Lebanon as Hezbollah killed in Israel muriel_volestrangler Oct 2024 #8
Not for the lack of trying on Hezbollah's part... Beastly Boy Oct 2024 #10
I'm stating that Israel kills a fuck-ton of Lebanese muriel_volestrangler Oct 2024 #11
The UN did jack shit to protect the Lebanese, if you haven't noticed. Beastly Boy Oct 2024 #13
Yea, I mean what does the UN actually do there? manicdem Oct 2024 #19
How many were Hezbollah or militants? manicdem Oct 2024 #17
Or even under civilian buildings, like HAMAs did. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2024 #18
How about restoring the Israeli government from Likud? onandup Oct 2024 #12
The only ones who can remove the Likud from the Govt. are the Israeli voters, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2024 #15
It's been suggested Hezbollah be removed by force onandup Oct 2024 #20
LOL. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2024 #21
.... MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2024 #16
Literally no Israeli government would ignore 8000+ rocket attacks in a year NickB79 Oct 2024 #23
The out-of-control bully/warmonger continues his rampage. brush Oct 2024 #26
Time to shut down all military aid to Israel. sinkingfeeling Oct 2024 #27
Official UNIFIL Statement on Merkava Tank Incident C0RI0LANUS Oct 2024 #40
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