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39. Perhaps the administration is not really all that into having progressive majorities in Congress.
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:42 PM
Dec 2012

We have seen this DLC/Third Way/corporate game before from our party. There are advantages for corporatists on both sides of the aisle in having a close balance of power that is more easily manipulated than a solid lead on either side.


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http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/

Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 11:24 AM UTC
The Democratic Party’s deceitful game
They are willing to bravely support any progressive bill as long as there's no chance it can pass

By Glenn Greenwald

Democrats perpetrate the same scam over and over on their own supporters, and this illustrates perfectly how it’s played:

.... Rockefeller was willing to be a righteous champion for the public option as long as it had no chance of passing...But now that Democrats are strongly considering the reconciliation process — which will allow passage with only 50 rather than 60 votes and thus enable them to enact a public option — Rockefeller is suddenly “inclined to oppose it” because he doesn’t “think the timing of it is very good” and it’s “too partisan.” What strange excuses for someone to make with regard to a provision that he claimed, a mere five months ago (when he knew it couldn’t pass), was such a moral and policy imperative that he “would not relent” in ensuring its enactment.

The Obama White House did the same thing. As I wrote back in August, the evidence was clear that while the President was publicly claiming that he supported the public option, the White House, in private, was doing everything possible to ensure its exclusion from the final bill (in order not to alienate the health insurance industry by providing competition for it). Yesterday, Obama — while having his aides signal that they would use reconciliation if necessary — finally unveiled his first-ever health care plan as President, and guess what it did not include? The public option, which he spent all year insisting that he favored oh-so-much but sadly could not get enacted: Gosh, I really want the public option, but we just don’t have 60 votes for it; what can I do?. As I documented in my contribution to the NYT forum yesterday, now that there’s a 50-vote mechanism to pass it, his own proposed bill suddenly excludes it.

This is what the Democratic Party does...They’re willing to feign support for anything their voters want just as long as there’s no chance that they can pass it. They won control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections by pretending they wanted to compel an end to the Iraq War and Bush surveillance and interrogation abuses because they knew they would not actually do so; and indeed, once they were given the majority, the Democratic-controlled Congress continued to fund the war without conditions, to legalize Bush’s eavesdropping program, and to do nothing to stop Bush’s habeas and interrogation abuses (“Gosh, what can we do? We just don’t have 60 votes).

The primary tactic in this game is Villain Rotation. They always have a handful of Democratic Senators announce that they will be the ones to deviate this time from the ostensible party position and impede success, but the designated Villain constantly shifts, so the Party itself can claim it supports these measures while an always-changing handful of their members invariably prevent it. One minute, it’s Jay Rockefeller as the Prime Villain leading the way in protecting Bush surveillance programs and demanding telecom immunity; the next minute, it’s Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer joining hands and “breaking with their party” to ensure Michael Mukasey’s confirmation as Attorney General; then it’s Big Bad Joe Lieberman single-handedly blocking Medicare expansion; then it’s Blanche Lincoln and Jim Webb joining with Lindsey Graham to support the de-funding of civilian trials for Terrorists; and now that they can’t blame Lieberman or Ben Nelson any longer on health care (since they don’t need 60 votes), Jay Rockefeller voluntarily returns to the Villain Role, stepping up to put an end to the pretend-movement among Senate Democrats to enact the public option via reconciliation.


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Obama will regret this should he choose the Next supreme court justice. cyclezealot Dec 2012 #1
What do the two have to do with each other? brooklynite Dec 2012 #72
to block the goobers the dems need 61 votes. cyclezealot Dec 2012 #117
...which they don't have today; again no difference... brooklynite Dec 2012 #123
Mixed feelings, though Kerry will be good. I hope the rumors re: Vicky Kennedy appointment hlthe2b Dec 2012 #2
Hate the fact we will probably lose Kerry's Senate Seat.... Tippy Dec 2012 #3
Yep! The risk of brown getting his seat is unfortunate. However, Kerry will be an EXCELLENT Kahuna Dec 2012 #33
" " " n/t MBS Dec 2012 #119
Not so sure. I will bet you anything that the WH has focus grouped possible CTyankee Dec 2012 #36
And Adelson will pour $50 million into the state for Scott Brown. Joe Bacon Dec 2012 #114
I don't think I'd use Adelson as a winning example here. LOL. He didn't do so well with CTyankee Dec 2012 #116
And? malibea Dec 2012 #151
yup, agreed. n/t MBS Dec 2012 #120
I hope you are right JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #152
Bang bang. woo me with science Dec 2012 #43
Yep. And if you're keeping track, that was the plethoro Dec 2012 #79
Yep. woo me with science Dec 2012 #86
I didn't want to appear cynical.....I plethoro Dec 2012 #89
It's been a terrible, terrible week. woo me with science Dec 2012 #96
Actually, we probably won't lose a Democratic seat. LOL! KittyWampus Dec 2012 #131
" " " "n/t MBS Dec 2012 #104
Rice was never 1st pick. McCain&Co and RW mediawhores had their dog and pony show anyway. blm Dec 2012 #4
They phuked Rice and Obama got blamed for it, just look at DU; they got what they wanted. nt patrice Dec 2012 #6
Kerry is great, one of my favorites. You should have seen how hard I worked for him in 2004. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #10
That's what I think, too. I wish ... YvonneCa Dec 2012 #20
Senator Pink Leather Shorts returns. nt onehandle Dec 2012 #5
Is this a Scott Brown or John Kerry reference? Never heard it. freshwest Dec 2012 #55
In his autobiography, Brown spoke of showing up for his first date with his wife karynnj Dec 2012 #74
Thanks, I didn't know about Brown's date. And I agree, not Kerry's style. freshwest Dec 2012 #80
Yes, do please share. allrevvedup Dec 2012 #60
If John Kerry gave a shit about us, why would he risk losing the Senate seat just to add another The Stranger Dec 2012 #7
I agree- he should stay in the Senate. underpants Dec 2012 #8
Why the weak knees, Strange? BTW - You are welcome to name ONE lawmaker who has effected blm Dec 2012 #12
He did all of those things in the Senate. The Stranger Dec 2012 #15
Well, you say Kerry's work has been 'pathetic' and I'm holding you accountable for your claim. blm Dec 2012 #27
He lost a Presidential election he should have won. The Stranger Dec 2012 #139
You are a poor student of history if that is what you actually think. blm Dec 2012 #143
You seem unable to forego calling me names. The Stranger Dec 2012 #145
Baloney. And the 'weak knees' referred specifically to your excessive fearfulness. blm Dec 2012 #147
You're little posting on here is really pathetic. The Stranger Dec 2012 #158
WOW - Did you try to discourage Warren when polls showed Brown unbeatable for 2012, too? blm Dec 2012 #162
thank you, blm n/t MBS Dec 2012 #105
Gee I am sure this would convince Senator Kerry karynnj Dec 2012 #18
See post #139 The Stranger Dec 2012 #140
You completely miss the point - as you did BLM's karynnj Dec 2012 #146
You just don't get it, do you? The Stranger Dec 2012 #159
Politico and polls that also pushed the idea that Brown was unbeatable in 2012, too. blm Dec 2012 #161
Do you remember the 2011 and early 2012 polls? karynnj Dec 2012 #165
That's pretty... YvonneCa Dec 2012 #22
"Small" of Kerry to put his own desires over what's best for the party? The Stranger Dec 2012 #141
I highly doubt that is his motivation. I suggest... YvonneCa Dec 2012 #148
Okay, I'm getting back to you. The Stranger Dec 2012 #160
OMG! *knees shaking* Politico is saying Brown's unbeatable.....just like they did in 2011 and 2012. blm Dec 2012 #163
I do understand the importance of retaining... YvonneCa Dec 2012 #164
If you gave a shit about John Kerry Fearless Dec 2012 #31
I don't know if I give a shit about Kerry or not. The Stranger Dec 2012 #142
He has served in the Senate for 28 years. He has every right to leave politics and become SoS KittyWampus Dec 2012 #132
The problem is that it could cost us a U.S. Senate seat when every single vote there counts The Stranger Dec 2012 #144
I know John Kerry wants the job, and I know he will be really great because he is extremely JDPriestly Dec 2012 #9
Do you really believe Mass Dems will be as inattentive in 2014 as they were in 2010? blm Dec 2012 #13
That's right, Idaho is now the new Mississippi! DRiggs Dec 2012 #47
It won't be in 2014 ... won't there be a special election next few months? Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #101
'Yes, We Can." YvonneCa Dec 2012 #23
He will not win. Fearless Dec 2012 #26
I think MA Dems will be to blame, not Obama. nt Kahuna Dec 2012 #34
Love the cowardice in this thread. We can hold his damn seat people. Get with it. phleshdef Dec 2012 #11
Thank you! We're supposed to be... YvonneCa Dec 2012 #25
+ 1000 n/t MBS Dec 2012 #106
I'm with you! malibea Dec 2012 #154
Congratulations Sen. Kerry NNguyenMD Dec 2012 #14
I agree. Congratulations... YvonneCa Dec 2012 #29
It Will be 2013, Another Special Election Like they Had in 2009 AndyTiedye Dec 2012 #48
This is untrue. 8 percentage points is not "barely". Arkana Dec 2012 #156
Maybe Warren John2 Dec 2012 #16
Having Warren out there would be a good idea davidpdx Dec 2012 #97
I am curious to see how many repugs who LOVE Kerry now louis-t Dec 2012 #17
I suspect that most of the ones who said they preferred him will karynnj Dec 2012 #19
Nah, they won't ... The entire reason for supporting him is to gain a chance at Senate seat hlthe2b Dec 2012 #21
Not really - almost any Senator nominated gets lots of votes from the other side karynnj Dec 2012 #44
I'm saying he won't be opposed by many if any REPUGS. I can't tell if you are disagreeing with that hlthe2b Dec 2012 #46
Not disagreeing with little opposition - disagreeing that it is just the opportunity to get Brown karynnj Dec 2012 #73
He will be easily confirmed. Blasphemer Dec 2012 #68
Congratulations! Fearless Dec 2012 #24
Right answer! Kahuna Dec 2012 #35
Absolutely! Fearless Dec 2012 #115
"President" Kerry will do a great job. nt humblebum Dec 2012 #28
... YvonneCa Dec 2012 #30
Bad move, imo.............nft plethoro Dec 2012 #32
Really? Not only does Rice give to the nutjobs, then Obama obeys them and Lionessa Dec 2012 #37
I'm not filling Kerry as SOS the man is 70 years old that job need to be given to bigdarryl Dec 2012 #38
Kerry is 69 and at least as fit as HRC was when she started karynnj Dec 2012 #75
Perhaps the administration is not really all that into having progressive majorities in Congress. woo me with science Dec 2012 #39
Your comment makes no sense ProSense Dec 2012 #40
Kerry was liberal and progressive enough that Ted Kennedy went out of his way karynnj Dec 2012 #76
Scott Brown sez: KamaAina Dec 2012 #41
And all his corporate buddies, too. nt woo me with science Dec 2012 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #52
LOL! His record precedes him. He won't win if Dems run a decent candidate. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #133
Another positive Kerry thread turned into a flamewar politicasista Dec 2012 #45
Still putting up your 'concerns' I see. Typical of you. blm Dec 2012 #50
Read Twitter and you will understand n/t politicasista Dec 2012 #56
You repeating BS doesn't impress me. Your 'concerns' are always the same. blm Dec 2012 #63
And also read the Grio and politicasista Dec 2012 #65
Tuff - they got it wrong and refuse to admit it. Rice was NEVER Obama's 1st pick. blm Dec 2012 #81
As I said, I wish Kerry the best. politicasista Dec 2012 #82
The GRIO link actually said Kerry was Obama's choice - not Rice something I haven't . karynnj Dec 2012 #91
Ok makes sense n/t politicasista Dec 2012 #110
It would be nice if Rice could run for his senate seat allrevvedup Dec 2012 #64
True, politicasista Dec 2012 #66
oops I meant SoS. allrevvedup Dec 2012 #71
He can, but politicasista Dec 2012 #84
Seeing that you respect this source, read this paragraph karynnj Dec 2012 #87
The Grio is a popular politicasista Dec 2012 #94
In that case, read the paragraph karynnj Dec 2012 #102
Went back and re-read it politicasista Dec 2012 #109
the reason is where at least the first two were on the political spectrum karynnj Dec 2012 #130
True n/t politicasista Dec 2012 #153
Sherrod was obviously attacked because she was Black. ieoeja Dec 2012 #157
Here come the swiftboaters and their Fox news allies. Kingofalldems Dec 2012 #49
I don't think so LeftInTX Dec 2012 #54
Attack of the Deaniacs would be my guess. allrevvedup Dec 2012 #59
No, I was talking about a filthy repub group Kingofalldems Dec 2012 #77
"Swift Vets and POWs for Truth formally disbanded allrevvedup Dec 2012 #78
Repubs lie about everything and they have Kingofalldems Dec 2012 #83
Huge difference this time - only 99 people can vote karynnj Dec 2012 #88
I'm not saying they can stop Kerry Kingofalldems Dec 2012 #90
Don't doubt it, but if they do - it backfires when he is easily confirmed karynnj Dec 2012 #98
Beat me to it! allrevvedup Dec 2012 #93
Yes, but this is a Senate confirmation, allrevvedup Dec 2012 #92
I was a hardcore Deaniac in 2004 democrattotheend Dec 2012 #113
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #51
You've got to be fucking kidding me. MessiahRp Dec 2012 #62
" " " " " n/t MBS Dec 2012 #122
The corporatists are very good at what they do. woo me with science Dec 2012 #85
The legislature passed a special law banning Martha Coakley from running for Senate bluestateguy Dec 2012 #53
I don't like a senator being chosen, but I hope it will change the state dept. for the better. David__77 Dec 2012 #57
Loss of a much needed Senate seat indypaul Dec 2012 #58
Because an incumbent defeated by a freshman in November allrevvedup Dec 2012 #61
Do you live here? Little Star Dec 2012 #67
Let me guess, allrevvedup Dec 2012 #69
Yep. That's what I thought. Little Star Dec 2012 #70
You don't seem to have much faith in MA allrevvedup Dec 2012 #95
Are you bananas? Kerry has been my senator for a long, long time... Little Star Dec 2012 #99
Okay it's risky. Is it fair to ask Kerry to die in office allrevvedup Dec 2012 #100
Brown actually got himself elected in great part due to the.... Little Star Dec 2012 #108
Will do. Massachusetts has turned out some great politicians. allrevvedup Dec 2012 #111
Do YOU live in MA? Cause if you did you'd remember the ONLY reason Brown won in the 1st KittyWampus Dec 2012 #134
Not a surprise. Kerry wanted it the last time Thrill Dec 2012 #103
Not an unexpected choice. Beacool Dec 2012 #107
People giving Brown too much credit railsback Dec 2012 #112
Senator Kerry will bring the United States to a leadership position on Climate Change machI Dec 2012 #118
YES! MBS Dec 2012 #121
This article should be reposted as a new thread. blm Dec 2012 #124
Happy to serve machI Dec 2012 #127
Yes, this article should have its own OP! Cha Dec 2012 #125
Happy to serve machI Dec 2012 #128
Thank you, mach! Cha Dec 2012 #129
This is why McCain tried to pull a feint with Rice. & Wasn't Kerry also instrumental in the patrice Dec 2012 #138
I agree. With video... YvonneCa Dec 2012 #149
Oh, btw, ol Scott Brown has an "A" from the NRA that he might Cha Dec 2012 #126
Kick! n/t Tx4obama Dec 2012 #135
Talk about playing into the Republican's hands.... omg grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #136
NYT HAS NEW DETAILS: alp227 Dec 2012 #137
I just don't understand why Democrats are intimidated by Scott Brown. He just lost!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #150
The Sun-Times seems to be the only source for every single one of these reports. Arkana Dec 2012 #155
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