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31. Well, this is why the change in wording means something

Thu Jan 23, 2025, 06:44 PM

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The 1866 act does seem to have meant "Native Americans aren't citizens, and neither are those 'subject to another power'" so they might say under that dual citizen parents didn't count, but since, for the constitutional amendment, they changed it to "subject to US law", it meant everyone in the USA (including those with no right to be there).

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"Excluding Indians": Trump admin questions Native Americans' birthright citizenship in court [View all] BumRushDaShow Jan 2025 OP

This has to end... Lovie777 Jan 2025 #1

The shithole administration the comrades... Lovie777 Jan 2025 #3

Yes, it's actually worse than I originally feared. NotHardly Jan 2025 #6

It didn't need to start.. tirebiter Jan 2025 #12

Not even three days in office and Trump has already created more chaos than he did his entire first term. sop Jan 2025 #29

He wants to bdamomma Jan 2025 #33

There's the old adage about "Don't blame the puppet." LastDemocratInSC Jan 2025 #43

But puppets aren't willing and have no agency.... Trueblue Texan Jan 2025 #71

Yes, it's absolutely ridiculous. Native Americans, the indigenous people here should sit in judgement... brush Jan 2025 #56

So their argument is "they changed the wording, so it must mean the same as the old wording" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2025 #2

I can't get the "jurisdiction" thing underpants Jan 2025 #28

Well, this is why the change in wording means something muriel_volestrangler Jan 2025 #31

Thanks that's what I thought. underpants Jan 2025 #46

They're going back to the 1866 Civil Rights Act and the groundwork of the 14th Amendment, which excluded Native American LeftInTX Jan 2025 #49

👍 underpants Jan 2025 #50

I hope it makes sense. They're trying to argue that people born to non-citizens are non-citizens. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #52

I don't understand the argument. TomSlick Jan 2025 #75

The heritage foundation lawyer was trying to make an argument why he thinks non-citizens LeftInTX Jan 2025 #78

On June 2, 1924, Congress enacted the Indian Citizenship Act, which granted citizenship to all Native Americans born in LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2025 #95

" I was trying to wrap my head around their thinking" Ray Bruns Jan 2025 #89

Yep. underpants Jan 2025 #90

Seems to me that if undocumented immigrants aren't subject to the jurisdiction of the United States... AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2025 #97

I'm remembering that. underpants Jan 2025 #98

Where do they think they will deport them Bettie Jan 2025 #4

He'll put border checkpoints around all the reservations VMA131Marine Jan 2025 #15

The Native Americans may bdamomma Jan 2025 #34

I would not stop them also-the white man took their land and have the nerve to treat them Stargazer99 Jan 2025 #69

genius! LymphocyteLover Jan 2025 #36

He will make them walk back across the Bering Strait. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #30

That is what was intended. Evolve Dammit Jan 2025 #72

My mind is running through all the scenes of the most violent "Indian" attacks on racist white characters hlthe2b Jan 2025 #5

JFC! (apologies) ANOTHER Reason You -Drumphf- are BEYOND Disgusting! electric_blue68 Jan 2025 #7

Ooh boy, I think I see where this is going GusBob Jan 2025 #8

25% of our county is native by population GusBob Jan 2025 #9

Wasn't there a report deRien Jan 2025 #10

It was a bad poll. Skewed for clickbait... don't believe it. nt. druidity33 Jan 2025 #26

very hard to believe-- they traditionally are very Dem LymphocyteLover Jan 2025 #37

According to the Brookings Institute Natives went for Harris mtngirl47 Jan 2025 #51

Thanks deRien Jan 2025 #55

Ok cool qazplm135 Jan 2025 #11

Tell me again on how Trump won the Native.... Botany Jan 2025 #13

Trump is still mad about all the Native American casinos VMA131Marine Jan 2025 #14

That sounds right Evolve Dammit Jan 2025 #18

I remember seeing a video of that. underpants Jan 2025 #20

He was, is and always will be an obnoxious asshole. mountain grammy Jan 2025 #68

Makes me wonder what that spray tan POS will do with the NFL Bengus81 Jan 2025 #58

Because they didn't screw the pooch the way he did with his casinos. eppur_se_muova Jan 2025 #76

Tell me again on how Trump won the Native Botany Jan 2025 #16

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He didn't JI7 Jan 2025 #19

I don't necessarily buy that reporting since it was moniss Jan 2025 #22

He didn't. There was a bad exit poll. Ocelot II Jan 2025 #27

White supremacists much??? people Jan 2025 #21

Native Americans born on reservations were not LeftInTX Jan 2025 #23

Still calling native peoples "Indians." And "who wants to pay 40,000 to bury a Mexican"? He is a domestic terrorist. Evolve Dammit Jan 2025 #24

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You know Solly bdamomma Jan 2025 #40

I hope people stand up for the good. Solly Mack Jan 2025 #41

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Under Trump, Native Americans aren't Americans. No wonder he's an Andrew Jackson fan. surfered Jan 2025 #38

WTAF? BobsYourUncle Jan 2025 #42

Pretty sure Native Americans already know they aren't "citizens" and never have been. malthaussen Jan 2025 #44

Native Americans have been citizens since 1924, under a law signed by Calvin Coolidge: Liberty Belle Jan 2025 #77

You didn't read my post, did you? malthaussen Jan 2025 #92

I suppose we should deport them back to Siberia, then? n/t malthaussen Jan 2025 #45

So, Trump is declaring that Native Americans are NOT US citizens?? Is this what he is saying? riversedge Jan 2025 #47

They just hate everybody. n/t PatrickforB Jan 2025 #48

Native Treaty Act of 1924 Squeaky41 Jan 2025 #53

Yes! This was likely someone trying to justify that children born to non citizens were not granted citizenship by the LeftInTX Jan 2025 #67

I am not a lawyer probably very far from It thinkingagain Jan 2025 #54

Remember though....don't use the "H" word when it comes to Trump Bengus81 Jan 2025 #57

including native Hawaiians i hope YoshidaYui Jan 2025 #59

Are all natural born children American citizens? No... there is one exception. Children of diplomats. Norrrm Jan 2025 #60

Maybe Rump is trying to get in Kristi Noem's pants. As far as I know, the puppy killer is still banned from seven out of LaMouffette Jan 2025 #61

When they're here in the US they are not subject to a foreign power unless they are working here for said foreign power. cstanleytech Jan 2025 #62

It's madness. Four more years of madness? NameAlreadyTaken Jan 2025 #63

This is just not going to fly. efhmc Jan 2025 #64

Ok. Deport Markwayne Mullin dalton99a Jan 2025 #65

It's clear that he is going to come after indigenous people moniss Jan 2025 #66

Trump wants to deport Senator Warren. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2025 #70

Excluding Indians is not excluding Native Americans Sparky 1 Jan 2025 #73

This case is about Native Americans iemanja Jan 2025 #80

I know that, thanks. Just pointing out that the person calling them Indians is an ignoramus. Sparky 1 Jan 2025 #85

Actually iemanja Jan 2025 #86

Many Natives call themselves "Indians" obamanut2012 Jan 2025 #93

Deflection DallasNE Jan 2025 #74

I thought I'd lost the capacity to be shocked iemanja Jan 2025 #79

He's citing old laws against Native Americans to justify Trump's EO against non-citizens. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #82

"The Salon article fails to mention that Native Americans were granted full citizenship in 1924 BumRushDaShow Jan 2025 #87

Yes, I think Salon's headline could have been less dramatic. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #91

Trail time? moondust Jan 2025 #81

Alright, if they are going to get literal: DFW Jan 2025 #83

Four years of chaos and cruelty perdita9 Jan 2025 #84

No, no, no. Fuck this shit. Paladin Jan 2025 #88

Neal Katyal is not impressed with this silly argument LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2025 #94

The legal justification for TFG's Birthright Citizenship Executive Order is sad and wrong LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2025 #96