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In reply to the discussion: "Excluding Indians": Trump admin questions Native Americans' birthright citizenship in court [View all]LeftInTX
(34,361 posts)49. They're going back to the 1866 Civil Rights Act and the groundwork of the 14th Amendment, which excluded Native American
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1866
all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States; and such citizens, of every race and ..
all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States; and such citizens, of every race and ..
Then, they probably pivoted to the 14th Amendment.
The 14th Amendment did not give birthright citizenship to Native Americans born on Reservations etc. Native Americans did not obtain full US citizenship until 1924 and it was done via an Act of Congress.
The Indian Citizenship Act of 1924, (43 Stat. 253, enacted June 2, 1924) was an Act of the United States Congress that declared Indigenous persons born within the United States are US citizens. Although the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides that any person born in the United States is a citizen, there is an exception for persons not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the federal government. This language was generally taken to mean members of various tribes that were treated as separate sovereignties: they were citizens of their tribal nations.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Citizenship_Act#:~:text=The%20Indian%20Citizenship%20Act%20of,United%20States%20are%20US%20citizens.
Trump's EO does not apply to Native Americans. They are showing that Native Americans were "non-citizens during the drafting of the 14th amendment" and were not granted birthright citizenship until 1924 via an Act of Congress.
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"Excluding Indians": Trump admin questions Native Americans' birthright citizenship in court [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Jan 2025
OP
Not even three days in office and Trump has already created more chaos than he did his entire first term.
sop
Jan 2025
#29
Yes, it's absolutely ridiculous. Native Americans, the indigenous people here should sit in judgement...
brush
Jan 2025
#56
So their argument is "they changed the wording, so it must mean the same as the old wording"
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2025
#2
They're going back to the 1866 Civil Rights Act and the groundwork of the 14th Amendment, which excluded Native American
LeftInTX
Jan 2025
#49
I hope it makes sense. They're trying to argue that people born to non-citizens are non-citizens.
LeftInTX
Jan 2025
#52
The heritage foundation lawyer was trying to make an argument why he thinks non-citizens
LeftInTX
Jan 2025
#78
On June 2, 1924, Congress enacted the Indian Citizenship Act, which granted citizenship to all Native Americans born in
LetMyPeopleVote
Jan 2025
#95
Seems to me that if undocumented immigrants aren't subject to the jurisdiction of the United States...
AZSkiffyGeek
Jan 2025
#97
I would not stop them also-the white man took their land and have the nerve to treat them
Stargazer99
Jan 2025
#69
My mind is running through all the scenes of the most violent "Indian" attacks on racist white characters
hlthe2b
Jan 2025
#5
Still calling native peoples "Indians." And "who wants to pay 40,000 to bury a Mexican"? He is a domestic terrorist.
Evolve Dammit
Jan 2025
#24
I'm sick over all the people he is harming, and all the people he will harm as time goes by.
Solly Mack
Jan 2025
#39
Insane. What is his point. Native Americans are NATIVE. Here before any other race.
Fla Dem
Jan 2025
#32
Under Trump, Native Americans aren't Americans. No wonder he's an Andrew Jackson fan.
surfered
Jan 2025
#38
Pretty sure Native Americans already know they aren't "citizens" and never have been.
malthaussen
Jan 2025
#44
Native Americans have been citizens since 1924, under a law signed by Calvin Coolidge:
Liberty Belle
Jan 2025
#77
So, Trump is declaring that Native Americans are NOT US citizens?? Is this what he is saying?
riversedge
Jan 2025
#47
Yes! This was likely someone trying to justify that children born to non citizens were not granted citizenship by the
LeftInTX
Jan 2025
#67
Are all natural born children American citizens? No... there is one exception. Children of diplomats.
Norrrm
Jan 2025
#60
Maybe Rump is trying to get in Kristi Noem's pants. As far as I know, the puppy killer is still banned from seven out of
LaMouffette
Jan 2025
#61
When they're here in the US they are not subject to a foreign power unless they are working here for said foreign power.
cstanleytech
Jan 2025
#62
I know that, thanks. Just pointing out that the person calling them Indians is an ignoramus.
Sparky 1
Jan 2025
#85
He's citing old laws against Native Americans to justify Trump's EO against non-citizens.
LeftInTX
Jan 2025
#82
"The Salon article fails to mention that Native Americans were granted full citizenship in 1924
BumRushDaShow
Jan 2025
#87
The legal justification for TFG's Birthright Citizenship Executive Order is sad and wrong
LetMyPeopleVote
Jan 2025
#96