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In reply to the discussion: Sandy Hook shooting highlights deficient access to psychiatry in the U.S., expert says [View all]riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)39. Do you have a link? That's not what I've read. Here's one article: 5 myths about mass shootings
http://www.heraldextra.com/news/opinion/editorial/around-the-nation/myths-about-mass-shootings/article_bb9540bd-68d9-5dd4-9c5a-c8d718dd0f5a.html
5 myths about mass shootings
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With 12 dead and 58 injured, the July 20 massacre at the midnight premiere of "The Dark Knight Rises" in Aurora, Colo., is one of the largest mass shootings in U.S. history. Aurora is only 20 miles from Columbine High School, where seniors Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 13 and injured 24 in 1999. We may think we know what makes the perpetrators of mass shootings -- mostly boys and men -- tick. Though psychology doesn't always lend itself to hard statistics, there are some surprising patterns.
1. Shooters are insane.
The 2002 Safe School Initiative report looked at 41 attackers across 37 incidents from 1974 to 2000. It concluded that only 17 percent "had been diagnosed with mental health or behavior disorder prior to the attack." Most had never had a mental health evaluation but 78 percent "exhibited a history of suicide attempts or suicidal thoughts."
Adult and teen shooters do not suddenly snap. Their anger and planning often develop over time. And the more they plan, the more an argument can be made, legally, that they are sane.
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By contrast, most experts (after his death) have declared Columbine shooter Eric Harris a psychopath. With that label, he could not have pleaded insanity because, while he would be seen as coldblooded, he would also be considered rational, calculating, aware of his actions.
I'm not disputing anything you've said. My sister's the director of a major county mental health operation in CA so we've had some discussions about this and she's given me data that has persuaded me differently than you, but I'm not claiming to be an expert. However the things I've read on the statistics and studies on these kinds of mass shootings don't appear to support your positions. Happy to be educated differently however...
5 myths about mass shootings
snip
With 12 dead and 58 injured, the July 20 massacre at the midnight premiere of "The Dark Knight Rises" in Aurora, Colo., is one of the largest mass shootings in U.S. history. Aurora is only 20 miles from Columbine High School, where seniors Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 13 and injured 24 in 1999. We may think we know what makes the perpetrators of mass shootings -- mostly boys and men -- tick. Though psychology doesn't always lend itself to hard statistics, there are some surprising patterns.
1. Shooters are insane.
The 2002 Safe School Initiative report looked at 41 attackers across 37 incidents from 1974 to 2000. It concluded that only 17 percent "had been diagnosed with mental health or behavior disorder prior to the attack." Most had never had a mental health evaluation but 78 percent "exhibited a history of suicide attempts or suicidal thoughts."
Adult and teen shooters do not suddenly snap. Their anger and planning often develop over time. And the more they plan, the more an argument can be made, legally, that they are sane.
snip
By contrast, most experts (after his death) have declared Columbine shooter Eric Harris a psychopath. With that label, he could not have pleaded insanity because, while he would be seen as coldblooded, he would also be considered rational, calculating, aware of his actions.
I'm not disputing anything you've said. My sister's the director of a major county mental health operation in CA so we've had some discussions about this and she's given me data that has persuaded me differently than you, but I'm not claiming to be an expert. However the things I've read on the statistics and studies on these kinds of mass shootings don't appear to support your positions. Happy to be educated differently however...
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Sandy Hook shooting highlights deficient access to psychiatry in the U.S., expert says [View all]
OhioChick
Dec 2012
OP
In this case, the problem was not financial ability to pay for mental health care -
jerseygal
Dec 2012
#1
Societal ones too; seeking help at all is still enormously stigmatized. (nt)
Posteritatis
Dec 2012
#19
even for the insured, care is severely rationed and limited, being middle class
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#9
In America, people who need psychiatric help and can't afford it get for-profit prison instead.
valerief
Dec 2012
#5
Has it been confirmed he did or did not receive mental health services,or has even the "media dubbed
mother earth
Dec 2012
#6
Quite frankly, one of my concerns with all medical care including mental health, is the rote reflex
mother earth
Dec 2012
#43
I'm growing more and more uncomfortable that everyone wants to make this about mentally ill people
riderinthestorm
Dec 2012
#10
I agree with gun control but clearly this kid also needed help and didn't get it.
Quixote1818
Dec 2012
#17
spree shooters are most frequently suffering from psychosis- and serious mental issues like this are
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#30
Do you have a link? That's not what I've read. Here's one article: 5 myths about mass shootings
riderinthestorm
Dec 2012
#39
This is true. However, if there had been no guns available, only knives the outcome
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2012
#13
Has it been tried yet, that you're so convinced? And what do you plan to do about the mentally ill?
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2012
#59
Violent killers? When does a gun owner become a violent killer? When he fires it at someone
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2012
#61
City gangs, mentally ill, disgruntled spouse, a result of arguments - I don't care
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2012
#65
That's the "change" we need. It will help everyone & for those who measure everything that way, it
patrice
Dec 2012
#56
Only the rich have any chance of saving kids like this. It's insanely expensive. & Families can
patrice
Dec 2012
#53