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110. You are furthering a meme that these conversions are widely available.

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:42 PM

Dec 2012

"Further conversion kits that make these rifles indistinguishable from machine guns are also widely available at gun shows."

It's bullshit. You have two instances of them being used in crimes (one of them I supplied to you).

Since merely POSSESSING one, unassembled, is a 10 year felony, one might assume a correlation between people possessing them, and using them in crimes.

There is a dearth of people using them in crimes.

Remember, this is a hypothetical 'kit' of metal parts that, if you held it in your hand, could send you to federal prison for 10 years.

Where are these 'widely available' kits? Nowhere. They are not 'widely available' at gun shows, period. The process to modify a semi-auto, specifically one produced after 1986, is arduous and requires significant modification and NEW parts. (N Hollywood Shootout shooters made whole new parts.)

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Adam Lanza Shot Victims at Close Range with Semi-Automatic Rifle [View all] Junkdrawer Dec 2012 OP

Thats a popular hunting rifle. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #1

That's why I want a prohibition on all firearms in the United States AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #3

and that would put repukes in charge for generations backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #38

Erm...why? AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #40

The vast majority of NRA members are GOOP, anyway. leveymg Dec 2012 #126

2nd amendment UndahCovah Dec 2012 #42

Yah sorry - by prohibiting all firearms I mean repealing the 2nd amendment AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #43

Which would take ratification from how many states? UndahCovah Dec 2012 #44

Nice User Name AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #45

Childhood nickname UndahCovah Dec 2012 #48

yeah, right Euphoria Dec 2012 #51

Whatever UndahCovah Dec 2012 #54

Okay obvious troll Rex Dec 2012 #141

No repeal, just a SCOTUS that interprets "a well regulated militia" properly. Duh. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #67

^^^This n/t TroglodyteScholar Dec 2012 #71

Do you think the founders envisioned 20 six and seven year-olds being slaughtered PA Democrat Dec 2012 #101

Funny, but gun nuts never seem to respond on that point - n/t primavera Dec 2012 #130

No, you don't really want a prohibition on ALL firearms in the United States. slackmaster Dec 2012 #98

People hunt with 5.56mm NATO rounds? underpants Dec 2012 #5

The rifle was described as a .223 HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #7

I asked this last night and got some good information - it is a NATO round underpants Dec 2012 #13

Yes, it is legal in some states for larger game NickB79 Dec 2012 #16

Okay. Thanks that was why I was asking. n/t underpants Dec 2012 #31

I believe you mean SMALLER game slackmaster Dec 2012 #99

It's deer-legal here in MN NickB79 Dec 2012 #122

Some people do UndahCovah Dec 2012 #46

In many states 22 caliber guns are illegal for anything but small critters. Bandit Dec 2012 #93

.223 and 5.56 UndahCovah Dec 2012 #94

Yeah, for varmits krispos42 Dec 2012 #80

5.56 is too small for most game DLine Dec 2012 #106

Someone posted a video of a bushmaster with a slide stock that turned it into a fully automatic RC Dec 2012 #8

Not fully automatic. Clames Dec 2012 #77

It only has to work long enough to take out the next group gathering. RC Dec 2012 #95

Fact is they really don't work. Clames Dec 2012 #102

Having fired full-auto in the military at the range, Amen to that! askeptic Dec 2012 #129

You could ban rifles that hold multiple rounds muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #9

Well I'm against all hunting AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #11

If you're concerned about cruelty XemaSab Dec 2012 #32

You're right AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #35

Not an option for those of us who spend any time in bear country. DLine Dec 2012 #108

I will admit that self-defence against a bear is one time I can see multiple rounds are needed muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #109

Then again... primavera Dec 2012 #131

These "hunting" rifles are easily and often "converted" into fully automatic 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #12

It's not easy at all bossy22 Dec 2012 #14

If you believe that you are deceived or deliberately deceiving intaglio Dec 2012 #21

The DIAS is considered a machine gun in and of itself NickB79 Dec 2012 #22

And did you look at how crudely machined it is? intaglio Dec 2012 #27

You could make a real deal M-16 in a middle school metal shop AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #83

For an AR 15 made prior to 1986, that MIGHT be possible, depending AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #82

You are either willfully ignorant about these "conversion kits" 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #23

How often are converted AR-15s used in crimes? slackmaster Dec 2012 #100

The sale of the kits is also tightly regulated. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #39

Not according to this MEDIA MATTERS source 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #41

You can't spit at a gun show without hitting at least 3 cops. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #84

I rest my case 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #87

No, they aren't. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #90

By the way, I'll save you the effort of searching. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #91

IHOP in Carson City NV * Sept 2011 * 5 dead, 14 wounded using semi-auto converted to fully auto 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #104

There's one. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #105

Two counting No. Hollywood one you posted, and still counting. ~nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #107

You are furthering a meme that these conversions are widely available. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #110

"Fully legal bump-fire" * cheap and easy conversion * watch and learn 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #113

Bump fire isn't fully auto, per the BATFE. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #114

It is indistinguishable from full auto 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #116

I don't need to watch the video. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #117

I think this is where we agree to disagree. 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #118

I agree. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #119

+10 nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #120

This should be a thread unto itself-- janx Dec 2012 #138

Texas A&M * Aug. 2012 * 3 dead 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #111

Not a maybe. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #115

They were originally fully automatic weapons, designed for the military. janx Dec 2012 #53

again, this is almost identical in form and function to what I carried in Iraq. It is an assault pasto76 Dec 2012 #15

The AWB didn't outright ban pistol grips NickB79 Dec 2012 #18

Well put. Dr_Scholl Dec 2012 #24

Agreed...we need far more restrictive legislation than the AWB alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #25

No we don't bossy22 Dec 2012 #29

Oh alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #30

how can we see bodies under my system when it hasn't even been considered or implimented? bossy22 Dec 2012 #36

Umm, 30,000 dead Americans each year by guns isn't a crisis? primavera Dec 2012 #70

I meant mass shootings bossy22 Dec 2012 #72

According to CDC, 31,347 Americans died by guns in 2009... primavera Dec 2012 #75

Per capita numbers are better to use bossy22 Dec 2012 #76

I understand primavera Dec 2012 #81

Nah, just the cost of doing business. TroglodyteScholar Dec 2012 #73

Isn't this essentially an M16 (fully automatic) that was modified janx Dec 2012 #50

Wrong. Clames Dec 2012 #79

A simple Google search: janx Dec 2012 #137

The AR-15 derived from the AR-10 which derived from a civilian survival rifle project... Clames Dec 2012 #139

No you didn't. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #85

From my limited understanding, assault weapons are weapons initially designed for military use. janx Dec 2012 #52

That's why semi=autos need to be reclassified as assault weapons. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #55

A "hunting" rifle? For what, deer tar-tar? Squirrel ceviche? Myrina Dec 2012 #56

actually you are somewhat correct bossy22 Dec 2012 #61

No it is not - it's an assault rifle designed to kill humans jpak Dec 2012 #57

so there is a difference between a 150 lb deer bossy22 Dec 2012 #65

Distance exboyfil Dec 2012 #88

Is a weapon capable of firing 30 shots in 10 seconds intaglio Dec 2012 #127

WTF? No it can't fire 30 shots in 10 seconds, don't be silly. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #128

3 rounds per second ... intaglio Dec 2012 #133

With the weight of the trigger and dealing with the recoil, HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #134

I said go away and do the experiment to the original respondant intaglio Dec 2012 #135

Uh, I have fired a semi-automatic rifle. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #136

Restricting the argument intaglio Dec 2012 #140

And where did he get the vest I wonder? AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #2

You can get them online. Even ebay. Ash_F Dec 2012 #6

Yes, true AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #10

I'm sure we will. Ash_F Dec 2012 #26

i wouldnt even say that name. MFM008 Dec 2012 #4

I invite all of you to google "automatic assault weapon videos". You will find dozens pasto76 Dec 2012 #17

are you sure its not "bump firing" videos bossy22 Dec 2012 #19

Yeah, no. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #20

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I wondered the same thing. janx Dec 2012 #49

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Then we need to hack away at Mad Dog Scalia primavera Dec 2012 #132

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I actually am in favor of their use bossy22 Dec 2012 #63

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