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16. And when bond yields go up, bond prices go down. And Net Asset Values of bond funds go down
Wed Feb 12, 2025, 11:56 AM
Feb 2025

It is extremely very rare to see any mention of bonds here at DU, but it is almost universal advice from financial planners and financial pundits that older people should have a considerable allocation in bonds and other fixed income investments (e.g. money market funds and CDs). Jack Bogle of Vanguard used to say "your age in bonds", i.e. a 60-year-old should have 60% in fixed income investments (which include bonds) and 40% in equities.

Most investment advice on allocation that I've seen haven't been that extreme, but something equivalent to "your age in bonds minus 10" or minus 20 is what I've seen. In the latter case, a 60-year-old should have 40% in fixed income and 60% in equities.

I'm a little older and a little less conservative than that, with about 45% in fixed income and 55% in equities. Much of that 45% in fixed income is in intermediate-term bond funds. They have been about breakeven in total return in the last 4 years, but as far as purchasing power, they've been slaughtered.

Today's inflation report, as much as we like the political points we can make about the January jump, is a disaster for bond funds.

(Righties, BTW, will point out that Biden was president for 2/3 of January, and tRump only 1/3 of January. But the counterpoint is since they are claiming the stock market gains since the election (Nov. 5) as the "Trump trade", then for consistency, they should also claim the November, December, and January CPI's which were kinda crummy and rising as the graphs show.)

And my fixed-dollar-amount charitable gift annuity, a source of income about the same in size as my Social Security benefit, has been eroded 24% in purchasing power by inflation since Dec. 2016.

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Kick. Everything he touches dies. bronxiteforever Feb 2025 #1
When is he... liberalgunwilltravel Feb 2025 #5
I don't have much confidence in the stock market.......................... Lovie777 Feb 2025 #2
Pays to be contrarian, sometimes. Market slow to recognize that tRump is fixated on tariffs & Muck is breaking things Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2025 #6
Gee Johnny2X2X Feb 2025 #3
Increases due to tariffs haven't even started being reflected yet Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #14
This is companies preparing for the tariffs Johnny2X2X Feb 2025 #15
Right Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #17
Don't expect the corporate media to talk honestly about it Johnny2X2X Feb 2025 #18
Bend over, MAGAts liberalgunwilltravel Feb 2025 #4
Dow drops 400 points after hotter-than-expected CPI report: Live updates mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2025 #7
And then the Treasury yield took off BumRushDaShow Feb 2025 #12
And when bond yields go up, bond prices go down. And Net Asset Values of bond funds go down progree Feb 2025 #16
Well as a retired fed BumRushDaShow Feb 2025 #19
GRAPHS - 3 month rolling average, and one month - both annualized. CPI and Core CPI progree Feb 2025 #8
Trumpflation on the way. Old Crank Feb 2025 #9
How long before tRump starts faking inflation numbers. groundloop Feb 2025 #10
People can still see the prices when we buy stuff IronLionZion Feb 2025 #20
From the source: mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2025 #11
The biggest single-month increase in over a year Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #13
Yes, the last time the monthly increase was higher was August 2023 (17 months before January 2025) progree Feb 2025 #23
Wait a minute................. LilElf70 Feb 2025 #21
The chickens did it. Blame them. On the other hand, any excuse, even one that hasn't started, Wonder Why Feb 2025 #22
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