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50. A problem is the guns, NOT THE...

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:30 PM

Dec 2012

YES, guns are a problem, but simply having access to them doesn't inspire in anyway, IN ANY WAY a person from systematically blowing away 20 children, shooting some 10+ times.

It's ridiculous to think the mere presence of the gun in ANY WAY contributed to the inner workings of a person even CONTEMPLATING such an act.

I am sorry, but it is mental health + access to guns. Connecticut has some of the most strict laws in the nation, the guns were legal...all laws were obeyed, until this kid lost the mental capacity for empathy when he slaughtered innocent, unsuspecting victims.

This problem is guns, mental health and the culture of our nation...one that is detestable and full of hatred, destruction, war, aggression and violence.

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Sandy Hook shooting highlights deficient access to psychiatry in the U.S., expert says [View all] OhioChick Dec 2012 OP

In this case, the problem was not financial ability to pay for mental health care - jerseygal Dec 2012 #1

I'm very well aware of this particular family's financial situation OhioChick Dec 2012 #3

Societal ones too; seeking help at all is still enormously stigmatized. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #19

Or maybe the care wasn't specialized enough. dkf Dec 2012 #28

K&R ReRe Dec 2012 #2

Who is buying this? earthside Dec 2012 #4

even for the insured, care is severely rationed and limited, being middle class bettyellen Dec 2012 #9

+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2012 #23

Thank you n/t Catherina Dec 2012 #55

Can't Disagree RobinA Dec 2012 #49

In America, people who need psychiatric help and can't afford it get for-profit prison instead. valerief Dec 2012 #5

And some people get too much... heliarc Dec 2012 #36

Pharma drugs doesn't always equate to psychiatric help. nt valerief Dec 2012 #37

The right ones do. lbrtbell Dec 2012 #46

Has it been confirmed he did or did not receive mental health services,or has even the "media dubbed mother earth Dec 2012 #6

Certainly we don't know the facts in this particular case Live and Learn Dec 2012 #24

Quite frankly, one of my concerns with all medical care including mental health, is the rote reflex mother earth Dec 2012 #43

These people were well off. Total bullshit deflection. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #7

Absolutely agree n/t KatyMan Dec 2012 #52

no. nope. it's guns. KG Dec 2012 #8

I'm growing more and more uncomfortable that everyone wants to make this about mentally ill people riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #10

People want a single solution to a complex problem. Igel Dec 2012 #14

Agree 100%. nt Quixote1818 Dec 2012 #16

+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2012 #25

Great points, all of them. nt riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #40

I agree with gun control but clearly this kid also needed help and didn't get it. Quixote1818 Dec 2012 #17

The mother withdrew him from school marshall Dec 2012 #45

spree shooters are most frequently suffering from psychosis- and serious mental issues like this are bettyellen Dec 2012 #30

Do you have a link? That's not what I've read. Here's one article: 5 myths about mass shootings riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #39

The piece you put up Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #47

A problem is the guns, NOT THE... kwolf68 Dec 2012 #50

Yeah, it's hard to get access. davidthegnome Dec 2012 #11

+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2012 #26

Who Pays For It DallasNE Dec 2012 #12

This is true. However, if there had been no guns available, only knives the outcome Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #13

Or bombs? How quickly we forget the Oklahoma bombing. Live and Learn Dec 2012 #31

You forget that Columbine was planned as a bombing hack89 Dec 2012 #51

So your argument is, since there was a bombing, the constant shootings Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #54

I am merely pointing out that stopping such killings will be hard hack89 Dec 2012 #57

Has it been tried yet, that you're so convinced? And what do you plan to do about the mentally ill? Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #59

Violent criminals are the big killers in America hack89 Dec 2012 #60

Violent killers? When does a gun owner become a violent killer? When he fires it at someone Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #61

If you cannot distinguish between inner city drug gangs hack89 Dec 2012 #63

City gangs, mentally ill, disgruntled spouse, a result of arguments - I don't care Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #65

Yes, at $125 per 50 minutes, psychology can cure everything bucolic_frolic Dec 2012 #15

EMOTIONAL HEALTH, YOU IDIOTS Gregorian Dec 2012 #18

Series? tawadi Dec 2012 #21

I give up. Gregorian Dec 2012 #22

Sorry. I know that was wrong of me. tawadi Dec 2012 #29

Thanks. And I can't answer except to say we just need to stay on this topic. Gregorian Dec 2012 #34

Many people tent to equal neurological problems AlphaCentauri Dec 2012 #67

+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2012 #27

The problem is the belief that healthcare physical or other wise is not a Third Doctor Dec 2012 #20

That's the "change" we need. It will help everyone & for those who measure everything that way, it patrice Dec 2012 #56

This is BS, rich teens in CT suffer no dirth to access. Exultant Democracy Dec 2012 #32

Psychiatry is no panacea bhikkhu Dec 2012 #33

Bingo +1000 heliarc Dec 2012 #35

Florida closed it's mental institutions nevetsbboc Dec 2012 #48

Virginia Tech gunman had seen plenty of psychiatrists brentspeak Dec 2012 #38

Most of them seem to be introverts, too. sofa king Dec 2012 #66

OR a problem with the nature of what we consider psychiatric care Duer 157099 Dec 2012 #68

British, Canadian, and Aussie friends of mine are gobsmacked, LiveNudePolitics Dec 2012 #41

I was trying to ponder... iandhr Dec 2012 #42

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #44

Only the rich have any chance of saving kids like this. It's insanely expensive. & Families can patrice Dec 2012 #53

The Republicans during the Reagan administration began dismantling our public mental health ladjf Dec 2012 #58

He was getting Too Much Care from Big Pharma and FANAPT No Compromise Dec 2012 #62

Trying to fix everything with a pill AlphaCentauri Dec 2012 #64