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118. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?
Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:48 PM
Dec 2012

Well, your own post does little to show that your opinion - and education - aren't worth jack shit.

"Guns are essential for freedom? Okay, freedom from what? Invariably it's either TEH EBIL GUBBMINT, or, sometimes, TEH EBIL GUBBMINT WHAT COME HERE."

Funny how the OP never said that, they merely said that citizens should be able to protect themselves against criminals (if that includes government criminals, sure, but he never specified that). Perhaps its time you took some courses on reading comprehension? Or is your own twisted perception of reality so contrived as to render you effectively blind to what other people are actually saying?

"Or are you just throwing "freedom!" and "liberty!" around like the old Adam West batman threw around "kapow!" and "doing!", just meaningless punctuation words?"

The OP only said the words 'freedom' and 'liberty' in their post three and zero times, respectively. You said these words eight times in your post. Classic example of pot calling the kettle black, eh?

You claim that these ideas 'don't mesh with anything held by the left.' Aside from the question of who you are to determine 'what ideas mesh with the left' (seeing from your attitude of denial you seem to portray), the evidence shows that 'the ideas of the left' have frequently, especially over the last century, produced the worth genocides and destruction seen by humankind, rivaling that of World War II itself. The policies and ideology of left-dictators like Mao in China, which lied firmly within the orthodoxy of Communism and Marxism-Leninism, led to the deaths of, by low estimates, approximately 73,237,000 people. The casualties of World War II lie around 60 million. A similar situation created by the Bolshevik revolution led to 58,627,000 deaths and 3,284,000 not including civil war, massive famine and starvation, and dictatorial oppression in one of the worst examples history has to show of totalitarianism.

Chinese economic reforms, which began more than three decades ago, have opened the Chinese economy and lifted millions out of poverty – in a country that was once starving under a failing command economy led by Communist rule.

For several decades, China had followed the Soviet Union down a robustly totalitarian path with well-known catastrophic results. The massive famine caused by one of the greatest disasters in world history, the Great Leap Forward engineered by Mao Zedong and the Communist Party from 1958 to 1961, killed somewhere between 40 and 50 million people. To put things in perspective, the worldwide death toll of the Second World War was 55 million. The Great Leap Forward disrupted a largely stagnated economy and was followed only by the oppressive purges of the Cultural Revolution. Nearly two decades later, economic reforms started by Deng Xiaoping began introducing the principles of market capitalism into the Chinese economy. This process involved the decollectivization of agriculture, the opening up of foreign investment, and starting of businesses by entrepreneurs. Further reforms in the late 1980s privatized and contracted out much of the state industry, lifting up price controls, regulations, and protectionist policies.

The technological progress and economic growth caused by these reforms – something I personally witnessed during my journey – has been very rapid, making China the second largest economy after the United States. Since the beginning of these reforms, the Chinese economy has increased at an astonishing rate of 9.5% per year, per capita incomes have grown at 6.6% annually, average wages have risen sixfold, and absolute poverty has declined from 41% to 5% of the population.

Wherever communism and left-ideology has set foot upon has brought little but destruction. Cambodia? 2,627,000 Korea? 3,163,000. DMR of Afghanistan? 1,750,000. Ethiopia? 1,343,610. Vietnam? 1,670,000. Yugoslavia? 1,072,000. Shows a trend, don't you think?

Since lieutenant colonel Hugo Chávez Frías rose to the presidency in 1999, seven years after his attempted military coup d’état against Carlos Andrés Pérez, he has promised to deliver Venezuela from poverty. At present, however, the climate of Venezuela is one dominated by poverty, rampant corruption among political institutions, lack of media freedom, water and food shortages, deteriorating public infrastructure, electrical shortages, high inflation, price controls and, perhaps most prominently, unparalleled levels of crime and violence. Leaving the Maiquetía International Airport, one is greeted by the sight of millions of ‘ranchos,’ poorly built living spaces found in impoverished areas, covering the mountains surrounding the valley of the nation’s capital, Caracas. Armed street gangs, drug trafficking, gunfights, and homicide are common features of daily life in Caracas. Approximately two homicides occur per hour on average, amounting to over 335 homicides every week. ’Kidnapping express’ often occurs throughout the city and even travelling from the airport to the city. Going out at night is strongly not recommended.

Revolution, economic nationalism, hatred of the United States, faith in the government as an agent of social justice, and a passion for the figure of ‘el caudillo’ over the rule of law and public institutions, are among the hallmark features of Chávez’s self-proclaimed and self-styled ‘Bolivarian’ revolution (Bolívar would be certainly rolling in his grave). His presidency is characterized somewhat nebulously by a mix of left-wing populism, economic nationalism, Marxism-Leninism, revolutionary socialism, anti-capitalism, anti-imperialism, left-authoritarianism and, most notoriously, shameless anti-Americanism.

I'm from Venezuela and I know and have experienced first hand every day just how much damage left-ideology brings. Perhaps it's time you took those ideological blinders from your mind and opened it up to the harsh truths of reality.

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I'm sure the criminals in Caracas will be eager to turn in their weapons in honor of Dear Leader slackmaster Jun 2012 #1
mexican chainsaws would be the alternative may3rd Jun 2012 #61
Some people will celebrate the removal of their freedom NeedleCast Jun 2012 #2
They'll be here any second to tell us we need to educate ourselves about Venezuela slackmaster Jun 2012 #3
Sanity. nt BlueIris Jun 2012 #4
Yes - because violent criminals always obey gun control laws hack89 Jun 2012 #7
Private security companies can have guns. Lasher Jun 2012 #5
Are Chavez's Brown Shirts going to go door to door... -..__... Jun 2012 #6
Is that you, Glenn Beck? harmonicon Jun 2012 #16
But it makes perfect sense to call someone Glenn Beck because you disagree with them. Lasher Jun 2012 #21
No, it's Glenn Beck who I first heard use that argument without getting called on it. harmonicon Jun 2012 #26
Review your history appal_jack Jun 2012 #36
Link to Hitler and Stalin opposing private gun ownership? tabasco Jun 2012 #49
lots of nutter sites, which I won't link to, but Wikipedia too appal_jack Jun 2012 #58
Interesting. tabasco Jun 2012 #65
That last quote is in reference to the people of the eastern nations that germany conquered on the w AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #80
I believe you're somewhat incorrect about Germany... LanternWaste Jun 2012 #52
See link immediately above. appal_jack Jun 2012 #59
It still represented a relaxation of the firearms laws from the Weimar Republic. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #81
True enough appal_jack Jun 2012 #98
Hitler also implemented a 40 hour work week, paid vacations, and social security Major Nikon Jun 2012 #75
I hate to break it to you, but, uh... Scootaloo Jun 2012 #79
That was beautiful, man. (nt) harmonicon Jun 2012 #86
Only lunatics and some Teabaggers believe that they could somehow oppose the federal Flatulo Jun 2012 #89
Straw men & lies... appal_jack Jun 2012 #100
Yes, I am the one bringing that up Scootaloo Jun 2012 #101
Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? thegoogolplex123 Dec 2012 #118
Welcome to DU Scootaloo Dec 2012 #119
It would be nice if Ted Nugent had his weapons confiscated Kingofalldems Jun 2012 #8
And the gungeoneers come out of their hidy hole. onehandle Jun 2012 #9
So you don't view this as a news worthy story? nt hack89 Jun 2012 #11
With the gun-grabbers flailing incoherently behind them, apparently. appal_jack Jun 2012 #44
I am very glad to see the people of Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #10
I don't share your faith in police hack89 Jun 2012 #12
Provided that "getting killed by somebody with a gun" isn't a crime, sure. boppers Jun 2012 #72
Define "huge" hack89 Jun 2012 #93
300% increase in Florida. boppers Jun 2012 #105
To the massive number of 36 hack89 Jun 2012 #106
How many of your family would you consider significant? boppers Jun 2012 #107
Is zero deaths your standard? hack89 Jun 2012 #108
No people who died "because they needed to be killed" is my goal. boppers Jun 2012 #110
SYG is not a free ticket to kill hack89 Jun 2012 #111
People who carry guns usually already know how to look like cowardly victims. boppers Jun 2012 #112
If that is the best you have hack89 Jun 2012 #113
Indeed. boppers Jun 2012 #115
"May issue" is going away hack89 Jun 2012 #116
That's right, never been safer... Scootaloo Jun 2012 #85
150,000,000 gun owners. 8700 murders. Do the math and tell me about that "tendency". hack89 Jun 2012 #94
You're underlining my base point. Scootaloo Jun 2012 #102
You really haven't being paying attention, have you? hack89 Jun 2012 #104
The difference is that the European states who've severely Flatulo Jun 2012 #46
I would not welcome this ban with open arms and I live in VT cali Jun 2012 #76
Prepping for what's coming when St Hugo dies Dreamer Tatum Jun 2012 #13
Certainly his private militia will still be armed. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #14
He has a private militia now? Fascinating. That's a news story I'd like to see a link to. (nt) harmonicon Jun 2012 #15
Not familiar with the Bolivarian militia? hack89 Jun 2012 #17
That's not the same thing. (nt) harmonicon Jun 2012 #24
An armed militia answerable only to the President? hack89 Jun 2012 #28
Perhaps you've heard of the Secret Service or the CIA. (nt) harmonicon Jun 2012 #29
And perhaps you have heard of Congressional oversight and budget powers? hack89 Jun 2012 #30
In a way you could say that they all are, as the US president is the commander... harmonicon Jun 2012 #32
It will all be moot in a couple of months. hack89 Jun 2012 #35
chavez polling at 45% to capriles 31%.. frylock Jun 2012 #51
He will be dead. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #54
Vulture much? n/t bitchkitty Jun 2012 #70
Just pointing out the likely truth. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #95
Isnt the Secret Service under the Treasury? nt Flatulo Jun 2012 #47
Oh, possibly in theory - I'd forgotten about that. harmonicon Jun 2012 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Jun 2012 #37
No. Part of the Department of Homeland Security hack89 Jun 2012 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Jun 2012 #42
Why can't it be part of the governement chain of command hack89 Jun 2012 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Jun 2012 #48
Because the article specifically states it was taken out of the military chain of command? nt hack89 Jun 2012 #53
Answering out of courtesy, deleting the rest. I don't do Gungeon threads. freshwest Jun 2012 #57
So Venezula and Chavez are not news worthy? Ok. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #62
It's a twofer!Room for gun wavers to all focus on the Venezuelan President who might grab their guns Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #18
"Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, ...." hack89 Jun 2012 #19
That brings Venezuela closer into line with the UK for example dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #20
England does not have a universal gun ban hack89 Jun 2012 #22
All guns start out legal. Which is why England got it right. onehandle Jun 2012 #23
Criminals don't care about gun laws. Flatulo Jun 2012 #25
and ? dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #27
So the Brits need to focus on criminals and not guns. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #31
No doubt they'll ban guns again, since it apparently didn't take the first time. nt Flatulo Jun 2012 #50
I'm suitably astounded with your deficit in comprehension / lack of knowledge of the UK dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #55
And I'm likewise astounded by your inability to recognize irony. nt Flatulo Jun 2012 #77
Still a tiny fraction per 100k people compared to here in gun madness central. onehandle Jun 2012 #33
That's not true. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #83
Dunno. I'm pretty pro-gun, pro-RKBA but AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #82
I guess they think it will be different from Jamaica. crayfish Jun 2012 #34
I don't neccessarily agree with a total ban. Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #38
By government supplied doctor's of course hack89 Jun 2012 #40
It would help filter out the paranoid. boppers Jun 2012 #73
And the political opposition or those with the wrong colored skin. hack89 Jun 2012 #90
What about psychiatric exams to vote? FrodosPet Jun 2012 #60
Flying a plane, driving a bus, handling fireworks, selling alcohol... boppers Jun 2012 #74
Dictatorships always do Ter Jun 2012 #41
Funny, I thought easy access to firearms was supposed to prevent government tyranny like this... nt killbotfactory Jun 2012 #71
Vive Chavez!!!! harun Jun 2012 #45
I don't know what good this would do. Nolimit Jun 2012 #56
Venezuela Launches Official Production of Third-Generation Kalashnikov Rifles ( 2010 article ) may3rd Jun 2012 #63
Guaranteed flame war combining Hugo and guns geek tragedy Jun 2012 #64
I tried to find an Olive Garden angle but couldn't. nt hack89 Jun 2012 #66
NJ Olive Gardens are obviously mafiaosa fronts Baclava Jun 2012 #68
Kid, the next time I say something like "Let's go someplace like Venezuela, slackmaster Jun 2012 #67
NRA members; greiner3 Jun 2012 #69
Hugo is right on the money.... unkachuck Jun 2012 #78
"Hugo Chavez's government says the ultimate aim is to disarm all civilians" nt hack89 Jun 2012 #91
Venezuela has historically high murder rates, gun violence: Chavez gets blamed and attacked for it Alamuti Lotus Jun 2012 #84
Yes. Prometheus Bound Jun 2012 #88
It getting worse under Chavez hack89 Jun 2012 #92
Chavez has been using the wealth of that nation to buy the votes of the poor Flatulo Jun 2012 #96
I'm sure all those poor, toothless, exploited bitchkitty Jun 2012 #109
LOL Flatulo Jun 2012 #114
I don't get it. How does free dentistry and longer coffee breaks for the poor become 'looting'. Prometheus Bound Jun 2012 #117
"Venezuela" what does that mean? treestar Jun 2012 #97
I have no doubt it was completely legal hack89 Jun 2012 #99
Completely dumb. (nt) w4rma Jun 2012 #103
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