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AtheistCrusader

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37. No one here has advocated breaking any laws.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:21 AM
Dec 2012

Two of the examples that have been cited for you required no violence on the part of the resistance. The mere appearance of a person with a gun caused the shooters to terminate themselves.

Every single one of those examples, people acted to protect human life. Precisely the same action any on-duty law enforcement officer would take in the same situation.

I'm curious why you feel this thread has changed your perception that CPL holders are law abiding and intend no harm.

Maldonado? The Tacoma mall shooter I told you about? The man that opposed him and was crippled for life for it, had the drop on him. Could have gunned him down without question. Instead of shooting him, he asked the kid to put his rifle down. A man with a pistol, going up against a kid with a rifle, and he tried to get the kid to surrender. He'll be in his wheelchair for life, barring some medical breakthrough. Because he valued human life, even the life of a kid who just went on a shooting spree. If you ask him, he has no regrets. His action saved lives. Didn't take any lives himself. Didn't even fire his gun. Shot through the spine with a rifle, in payment.

He has no regrets.

Some of us value human life in ways that are difficult to explain. Carrying a firearm is one small way in which I work for that. I work for it on social causes, like workers rights, SS and Medicare, not just to keep people alive but to preserve quality of life. I spend weeks every year re-upping my search and rescue, triage, first aid, CPR, AED, and other certifications. All tools in service of my desire to preserve human life.

Not a single person in this thread has demonstrated a shred of bloodthirstiness, or disregard for the law. So, can you explain this objection you just raised?

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Most Back Ban on High-Capacity Clips [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 OP
I have a 40 cal Springfield XDM with two 16 round magazines doc03 Dec 2012 #1
Question BainsBane Dec 2012 #7
Let's say you had to pin down some shithead, like the Trolley Square shooting. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #8
You're not a cop BainsBane Dec 2012 #9
The two individuals that opposed the TS shooter were not acting in their capacity as law enforcement AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #11
So you agree with Louie Gohmert that teachers should be armed with machine guns? BainsBane Dec 2012 #12
I am not in favor of arming teachers. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #13
that is not evidence BainsBane Dec 2012 #16
That actually IS evidence. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #17
the problemw with having just 1 police Dokkie Dec 2012 #35
Actually, that's not true. pintobean Dec 2012 #18
August 2012 Ineeda Dec 2012 #43
Historically, joe citizen has FAR higher accuracy or hit ratio than police officers. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #44
"NYPD has a training issue." Yes, and a political ignorance issue. Bloomberg has mandated AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #52
I agree 100% reading that makes me uncomfortable about the doc03 Dec 2012 #15
The Clakamas Mall shooting was stopped by a citizen lbrtbell Dec 2012 #26
Where's the validation that only the police are sufficiently trained? For example, there are plenty 24601 Dec 2012 #27
well it certainly puts to rest the meme BainsBane Dec 2012 #28
No one here has advocated breaking any laws. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #37
I fully support citizen action to prevent crime in some cases UndahCovah Dec 2012 #30
Until you can guarantee safety for me and my family, I will thank you to STFU about what I pop topcan Dec 2012 #34
Jesus Christ. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2012 #23
Well, it's not up to you. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #25
Its good to be prepared for ANYTHING UndahCovah Dec 2012 #31
Ok. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2012 #36
I like to shoot now and then, it's a grown-up toy. I suppose I could use it if someone doc03 Dec 2012 #14
My state doesn't have that at all. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #19
The training on the laws amounted to here's the laws if you would doc03 Dec 2012 #21
In Texas you can almost light somebody up for TPing your house UndahCovah Dec 2012 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Blandocyte Dec 2012 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Blandocyte Dec 2012 #42
Can't & Won't be done now... SkyDaddy7 Dec 2012 #2
Now ... only if Adam Lanza cosmicone Dec 2012 #6
I know you were being funny but... SkyDaddy7 Dec 2012 #39
I agree, there seems to be a group of people that want to blame Obama for everything loyalkydem Dec 2012 #3
Yep, if they do pass such a law RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #4
Good idea. Slow 'em down. Leave that for war zones. Then eliminate the wars, too... freshwest Dec 2012 #5
NOW fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #10
Boy, this thread brought out the loons. onehandle Dec 2012 #20
Then people would just load their magazines by hand. DesMoinesDem Dec 2012 #22
None of my clips hold over 10 rounds, so ban away. PavePusher Dec 2012 #24
My magazine will eat two of your clips Brother Buzz Dec 2012 #33
Stop trying to spoil the joke. sigh. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #45
LOL I see what you did there. Dr_Scholl Dec 2012 #46
TGFGN's ThoughtCriminal Dec 2012 #29
Depends. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #38
Thanks. I typed my reply, below, before I read to the end of the thread. I'll check out the link... truth2power Dec 2012 #48
Could you please explain the difference? Thanks. I'm trying to educate myself, here... truth2power Dec 2012 #47
Ten round ammunition clip machI Dec 2012 #40
Since the ban will not be retroactive hack89 Dec 2012 #49
Good. You can sleep well tonight. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #50
You are missing the point hack89 Dec 2012 #51
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