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iemanja

(55,980 posts)
6. The support for this from those who oppose
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 10:34 PM
Mar 13

the free speech those students engaged in is disgusting. It’s support for authoritarianism. Columbia is doing this because of Trump’s revocation of millions of dollars in grants, something the anti-free speech proponents likely support. While they applaud the attack on higher education, they stand with the far right and its efforts to turn the USA into Russia or Nazi Germany. It’s incredibly short-sighted since the right’s ultimate goal is to see all Jews dead. If anyone believes Trump cares about antisemitism, they are woefully gullible. Neo-Nazis fill his base as well as close advisors like Miller and Musk. What Trump hates is Muslims, while he promotes the same ethnic cleansing as championed by Israel’s current government. Bibi, for example, voiced no opposition to Trump’s plan to remove all Palestinians from Gaza and turn it into a resort.

I wonder if those who applaud these actions wanted Vietnam protestors stripped of their degrees or deported as well, or perhaps their embrace of authoritarianism is limited to Muslims? Do they also support the shackling and deportation of Latinos and Canadians, the latter for a crime of an incomplete visa, the former for being undocumented or American citizens born to undocumented parents? The actions are all connected. This pretense of a concern about crime is a transparent ruse to abolish free speech.

Striking workers regularly engage in the kind of civil disobedience that these students did. The result is fines, not being stripped of their jobs or deported. Does no one learn any history? Haymarket was a crime, a rather serious one. It’s also part of the history of labor formation in this country. Anarchism and Socialism were crimes, but those movements gave us the 8 hr day.

Then there is the Civil Rights movement, where civil disobedience was common. They occupied buildings through sit ins. Would you have had them expelled, stripped of Degrees and deported as well? If the answer is no, the only explanation is hypocrisy of the worst kind, since it is aligned with authoritarianism.

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If they actually took over a University building, what did they expect. JohnSJ Mar 13 #1
Fucked around and found out. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 13 #2
Since when did protesting about tens of thousands of dead kids become bad? womanofthehills Mar 15 #17
Uh-huh NoRethugFriends Mar 16 #26
how exactly do you revoke a degree for a protest moonshinegnomie Mar 13 #3
I didn't know Dumpy Mar 13 #4
Revoke the degree? Then give the moniss Mar 13 #5
The support for this from those who oppose iemanja Mar 13 #6
Campus protest intelpug Mar 14 #8
I ask that you read my post iemanja Mar 14 #9
Point's you've made intelpug Mar 15 #19
My point seems to have escaped you iemanja Mar 16 #21
It's like you forgot the 60s even happened. maxsolomon Mar 14 #10
Well, they most certainly do have a right not to be harassed Polybius Mar 14 #12
I don't know if you have a right not to see or be impacted by a protest. maxsolomon Mar 14 #14
Protest intelpug Mar 15 #18
Right's intelpug Mar 15 #20
Did Viet Nam war protesters tell Jews to "go back to Poland?" Jose Garcia Mar 14 #11
What evidence do you have that these individuals engaged in such speech or physical intimidation? iemanja Mar 14 #13
Well, if it will help you change your mind, here it is: Beastly Boy Mar 14 #15
Free speech & protesting is fine..... however when you are here on a visa... EX500rider Mar 15 #16
This OP makes no reference to the iemanja Mar 16 #22
Also regardless of citizenship status EX500rider Mar 16 #23
And those consequences are typically fines iemanja Mar 16 #24
When they occupied the building they prevented employees from leaving MichMan Mar 16 #30
and? iemanja Mar 16 #31
You think a fine is what is usually given for false imprisonment? MichMan Mar 16 #32
What evidence do you have of a charge of false imprisonment? iemanja Mar 16 #35
I don't agree that occupying university buildings, vandalism, and preventing employees from leaving is free speech MichMan Mar 16 #37
Antisemitism, as odious as it is, iemanja Mar 17 #39
the protesters could have/should have been charged with 3rd degree burglary for what they did rollin74 Mar 16 #25
Were the Weather Underground justified in planting bombs ? MichMan Mar 16 #28
No, and all crimes have consequences iemanja Mar 16 #29
Jewish Voices for Peace in Trump Tower today womanofthehills Mar 13 #7
Jewish Voice for Peace NoRethugFriends Mar 16 #27
Expelled...suspended...fine. LudwigPastorius Mar 16 #33
From a speech Cindy Sheehan gave just before setting up camp outside GWBush's Crawford ranch: snot Mar 16 #34
What does the student handbook say? stoned Mar 16 #36
So why did it take Columbia a YEAR to expel students? BlueHurricane Mar 17 #38
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